EUREKA-WILDWOOD, MO -- I literally just sat down and started writing and this is what came out! No resources, no outside influence. This is pure, straight up, and from the heart, and it defines my stand on Gun Laws. Please read and pass on.
Forgive me for also adding this thought... The "Left" is going to come after me HARD! I really do need YOUR Help to fight off the vicious campaign they will surely launch against me because I am not kidding when I say "Not one inch will I relent on this issue." Please do what you can, is it $5? Great! Is it $500 or $5,000? Great, I just hope you'll do something! Checks to: Citizens for Nieves, 350 Country Club Bluffs Ln. Washington, Mo. 63090
Now, please read and pass on...
Will we pass a truly Free America on to our Posterity? No, really, I'm serious about that question! I have actual worry in my heart, and a heavy burden for this Great Republic. Why?? Let me explain...
Since the Connecticut Tragedy, I have had people who are typically reasonably minded folks tell me we should allow further restrictions on weapons that are specifically designed to hold lots of rounds or have a military like function. I've had people tell me we should "Give in" just a Little Bit or maybe just compromise a bit concerning gun control. Listen, I'm not saying I've heard this from liberals - No, these comments and suggestions come from folks who are usually reasonable minded citizens! One suggestion was to limit each family or household to ONE or maybe just TWO "Assault Rifles" because there would really never be any reason for any law abiding family to have more than that! After I took seven or eight deep breaths, reminded myself I was talking to someone I love and respect, this is what I said:
I want my neighbors and everyone in my subdivision, city, state, and nation to have and own as many guns as they decide they would like to own! Why? Simple - Our Founding fathers were so very very clear about why they wanted us to have weapons. If we, as a nation, would collectively take a few short minutes, maybe even an hour, to actually research what our Founding Fathers said, in their own words, about gun ownership and gun control, we would see that what we arbitrarily refer to as "Assault Rifles" would fit squarely with what they wanted us to have! Keep in mind they had just escaped tyranny and knew, first hand, what a power hungry government becomes. They knew that unarmed people become "subjects" while people who are free to protect themselves are "Citizens." They knew that government, by it's very nature, will seek more and more power and that government has an insatiable hunger, almost a lust, for more of our money and our liberty! They wanted American Citizens to be free to protect themselves from, God Forbid, a tyrannical government. Am I afraid our government will become full blown tyrants in my lifetime? No, but I do understand the very nature of government and just like our Founding Fathers, I believe it would someday be possible! We must, as a people, guard today what we want tomorrow and therefor we can NEVER allow government to take even one more tiny little baby step in the direction of gun control over our citizens.
You might say, "Brian, that is an OLD Argument that doesn't apply to modern times," and even though I strongly disagree, I'll give you a more "modern" reason to consider....
You may or may not be familiar with the absolute Financial Crisis, no, EMERGENCY, our country is in but I'm acutely aware! We are living in a time where it is possible for the American Dollar to lose its standing as the international medium of exchange. As it stand right now, countries have to buy and sell on the international market using U.S. Dollars - this means when countries buy oil from OPEC Nations, they do it with U.S. Dollars. I will not take the time, in this writing, to explain all the details of how America, as we know it, could literally cease to exist if we lose the coveted position the U.S. Dollar currently holds as the international medium of exchange but let me summarize by saying this... The America you are accustomed to would no longer be in existence and it would be possible, even likely, that we would be weakened to the point of inviting an invading army! If that were to ever happen, and I pray it doesn't, I want an AR-15 in every closet of every house in America!
I know, I know, some of you will say, "Oh Brian, none of what you've written about will ever happen" and I fervently pray that you are right and that 35yrs from now people are literally laughing at this writing! BUT, hoping you are correct does not give me the degree of comfort that an armed citizenry does.
Increased gun control only empowers government and criminals. Gun control laws empower government by making the people weak and empower criminals because they have no regard for what the law says anyway. Gun control laws only disarm the innocent and weaken those who follow the law. I want all of you to know, Friends - Family - Constituents and fellow Citizens... I will NEVER give even one little inch on the subject of gun control and will fight any measure that further restricts our God Given Right to defend ourselves and the 2nd Amendment that ensures that right to American Citizens!
Gun control is NOT about Guns...it's about Control.
Marc Perez
4:06 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
This is how it is, this is how it should be. The 2nd amendment is one of the foundations of American freedom and liberty. It should remain a right which "Shall not be infringed" as much as our other constitutional rights. There is a saying that pen is mightier than the sword, would we silence the power of the press? Are there other rights in the Bill of Rights we should give up? I think not. Free people without the right to own firearms may not be free for long, if we forget the lessons of history (And there are alot of examples in th epast one hundred years) we may be doomed to repeat them! As the Senator said "Gun control is not about Guns...It's about control.
Hansek Palet
9:21 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Marc, if the pen is mightier than the sword, why not just use a pen to defend yourself. Your analogy, not mine.
Marc Perez
9:32 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Hansek, you miss the point...The reason to have a 2nd amendment is to ensure we still have a first amendment! It we lose the send, we are sure to lose the 1st plus some. More people have been killed over religous freedom (The bible for example) then for any other cause. Mostly those withou the means of defending themselves over the power of a well armed aggressor throughout the histroy of the world. Summary, the pen is mightier than the sword, but will stand a better chance of survival in the end when it seeks the aid of arms.......... I think that clears things up. Next to Senator Nieves I'm so gung ho for 2A rights it makes Atilla the Hun look like a play doll.
Kris
11:35 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The key words are "a well-armed militia", which we no longer are or have in the US. The gun industry and ownership need to be "well-regulated" now.
Russ
11:41 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Why cant other Americans see this coming ?? We have had firearms in our family since I can remember. We even took our guns with us to school to go hunting after classes. In fact, our principal, a hunter himself, would often come out to our trucks to talk about the brand and type of shotgun or rifle we had. That was a respnsible time without incident of someone taking a gun inside school to hurt someone. If my parents would have found out I took a gun inside the school, my days would have been numbered.People say we dont "NEED" an AR15 ......well I say people dont "NEED" personal helicopters or Harley Davidsons but they wish to have them because this is AMERICA. Also, it makes me sick when these anti-gun idiots make claims of the term 'AUTOMATIC AR15........that term is describing the Military M16 which is "FULLY AUTOMATIC" not "SEMI" AUTOMATIC" like the AR15. We need to make the public aware that owning a fully automatic or machine gun, is iilegal and has been since 1934. In order to own one, which in most cases can cost upwards from $5000.00 to $10,000.00, you need a special permit and are regulated by the govt to keep track of it every year.
Bottom line, this article was a breath of fresh air and it was great to here from a true AMERICAN whether DEM or REP. God please contiue to bless America!!
james j campbell
11:43 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
With @ 200 million guns in private hands in the U.S. it would not be to hard to take it to 310 million so that everyone could have one, could hand them out on the local court house steps like candy. hey mom that 5 year old looks like he could handle a AR15, Take two in case he looses one.
Manorbanker
11:44 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We are a free nation and one reason that we are free is that some 238 years ago, an armed citizenry took up their arms against an oppressive, tyrannical government and threw off its yoke. History has a tendency to repeat itself, and our founding fathers were well aware of that fact. Hence, they had the foresight to include in our Constitution certain rights that were inviolate. One such right is the right to Freedom of Speech, another is the Freedom of the Press. Imagine where those rights would be if we did not have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You today have the right to say what you will and print and read what you will and those very freedoms, which we hold as some of the basic tennants of this great nation are subtly protected by our right to keep and bear arms - in other words, we quietly are able to keep an overly ambitious government in check. Hopefully, the need to remind the government of that fact will not come any time soon or even later, but our elected officials should keep it in mind. 51% of the electorate voted for the current administration and 49% didn't. 49% is NOT a small number and my bet is that lots of them are armed.
Backgammon
11:58 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Here is a video from N C that does not sound like a hoax. It is from a Police Lieutenant.
http://youtu.be/MAVGkU7_OQ4
JB
12:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Our Government has nukes, tanks and war planes. No amount of "assault rifles" is going to prevent it from making us "subjects" if it wants to. This argument makes NO SENSE at all. How can you people be so irrational? This was written HUNDREDS of years ago when a real peoples militia could stand up to an army. Now after HUNDREDS of years of functioning democracy taking every word that the "founding Fathers" have said literally is not relevant. Lets not forget that they also wrote "all men are equal" while at the same time holding slaves of their own. They were not gods, they were people, and very fallible people at that. There have been amendments to the constitution, which makes it an imperfect document so this extremely bizarre treatment of it as some sort of perfect sacred scripture by the FAR right is truly insane to me. For one second just sit and think about the circumstances of the world today and what they were like when it was written and I truly dont believe any sane human being can think that it can fully apply, literally, to our lives as Americans now.
Judy Hausler
12:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I agree and am so glad you left your comment "Gun Control is not about Guns;; It's about Control"
BassGreat
12:26 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I think you should have what the founding fathers wanted you to have - A musket.
Barry A Clarke`
12:39 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sorry Hansek Palet, you really fail to see the point he is making..........
Katie Richards
12:41 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
No, it's about guns. Comparing the thinking of our founding fathers to the facts of today's world is absurd. America has the most powerful military force in the word. Assault style weapons and large-round canisters serve a single purpose . . . to murder.
john bruno
12:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Marc....If you've read the Second Amendment, it talks about a "militia"...doesn't talk about individual citizens.
It was written when there were Indians and British soldiers in all rural areas and the founding fathers felt that militias should have equipment to protect the citizens.
Even a mope couldn't interpret the Second Amendment as suggesting that ordinary citizens should have automatic weapons intended to kill soldiers in wartime in their homes for any reasons.
This guy Nieves is asking for money and that is why he is pandering to the gun nuts.
Tommy Lyda
1:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Yes people should own guns, I duck hunt and I have friends that deer hunt but not with assault rifles. Like 9MMs, AR15s, Machine guns,Kalashnikov's, AK 47's. You get the point? These guns are just sitting around the house while your mad, mental teenage son gets himself an idea. And they know right from wrong too. These type weapons are good for one thing, killing people. Why would you want one? Oh, because you can, right. What if it was your kid or kids in that school, would you be standing up for assault weapons? Nobody is saying you can't own a gun just not one that hols a banana clip that holds 50 rounds.
Thomas Carter
1:26 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Admiral Yamamoto did not continue the attack on the west coast of the U.S. because he knew that every American was armed and ready to defend the Homeland! What if there had been no citizen ownership of firearms on Dec. 7, 1941? Would we be the nation that we are now? We best protect ourselves with all of the firepower that we can afford or face a future decision such as this! History does repeat itself!
steve
1:26 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hi;
This is for "Kris"..... COMMA look it up in the dictionary. A comma separates 2 or more thoughts/subjects. After the word Milita is a COMMA then comes the part of citizens having the right to keep and bear arms and shall not be infringed.
Milita has nothing to do with the right of a citizen's constituional right to keep and bear arms.
The rifled musket was the "assualt" weapon of the day and the continetal congress did not want to pay the price of the musket so a lot of troops used the smooth bore musket.
The writings of the founding fathers further specify the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms - before,during and after the constitution was written and the 2nd admendment added to it.
Liberals always state milita, if they were half as smart as they think they are, then they should be able to read, comprehend and keep their stupid mouths shut if they do not understand the American language.
Constitutionalist
1:36 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I totally agree with the Second Amendment our forefather wisely wrote into the constutution. I believe everyone in America should be able to openly carry guns, as long as they are muzzle loading, single shot muskets just like our forefathers thought everyone would need for protection.
Srichardson
2:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
When did people become so fearful? All these posts about guns and people protecting their guns. Everyone is versed in the second amendment. Hey, can you quote the ten commandments with equal veracity? Please focus on the one that states, "Thou shalt not kill".
Ays Kofi
3:10 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Kris, you seem to be unaware that, we do have a well armed militia. It is also the most heavily armed, biggest and baddest known street gang in the world. It is called the US Military. The well armed militia is separate from the people's right to bear arms.
Russ Agnot
3:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hello Caffeinated, you are correct that an armed citizen can not take down a tank just as a wasp can not generally take down a person, but a nest of wasps may do it. The idea behind the second amendment and its continued existance is that is provides a deterant to those that may attempt to subjugate Americans. You dont fight a tank...You wait until evening when the tank stops for the day and shoot the crew as they exit the vehicle. You make an enemy force pay for its occupation with their lives...one at a time until they decide it just isn't worth trying to take something that was not theirs to take. In the event of an government take over that is supported by US troops we can do the following math: The US Military has 1.5 million active troops and 1.5 million reserve troops so roughly 3.0 million troop vs the adult US civilian population of roughly 210 million. Not a fight that a tyrant could win even with the US troops on his/her side. This is why we keep our arms and focus more on the issue...Everyone needs a gun so the bad guys can be stopped cold in their tracks. Armed teachers could have prevented the tragedy in Newton. The principle was trying to fight him unarmed with her bare hands.
MaryAnn
3:50 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The House voted on September 21, 1789 to accept the 2nd amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Are you a part of the "militia"?
Is it necessary for you to "bear arms for the security of a free state"?
Chris Arredondo
4:16 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Why does anyone think that the citizens of our country could rise up against the most powerful military in the world? And if it is necessary for us to do that should we also own tanks, artillery and jets?
History shows that every armed rebellion against the U.S. government failed miserably. Right after the Revolution, George Washington put down the whiskey rebellion. And then of course there was the Civil War.
Once our democracy was established it was no longer legitimate for people to rebel against a government that allowed for citizen representation.
The same is true today: If you dislike a law, you as a citizen can do everything you can to try to change it. That is the point of free speech. And we all have a vote. If your candidate doesn't win that doesn't mean that you can use "second amendment remedies."
The Senator's ideas are ahistorical.
C. Poindexter
4:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Miitia, def., "The whole body of physically fit CIVILIANS, of the age of majority."
Pat Bell
6:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
People haven't carefully read the Second Amendment in the context of the times in which it was added.
Note the words "A well-regulated militia." A militia is of course an armed group. But the reason for allowing for a militia was the fact that the very young country of the United States HAD NO ARMY and was in no position to call up and equip one.
Further, are people aware that for reasons of knowing just what resources the country had, should it be threatened, regular and possibly frequent censuses were taken of the guns in the community.
It made considerable sense for the government to know what was available.
The Senator is off his rocker. Like all too many of his colleagues in Congress (both Houses) not enough of them know much about history (and I won't even get into their scientific knowledge deficit).
I would be willing to accept the ownership of rifles and handguns but I see absolutely NO sense nor reason for these obscene 100-round magazines, and fail to see any value in the average household having assault weapons "for self-defense."
Deadmanwalkingby
7:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed................All of you stupid ignorant liberals please go to the web and took up the meaning of militia as used in the 18th century. Militia referred to citizen soldiers who only served in times of emergencies. They were not professional military soldiers. The 2nd Amendment is referring to the fact that all citizens should own and be well versed in the use of a weapon, in order that the security and freedoms of a FREE State be maintained. Our founding fathers had just escaped the tyranny of an oppresive govt and knew that the people needed to forever be ready to prevent that from happening again.
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject". Just asked anyone who has ever lived under a dictatorship.
jim king
8:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Im always amazed at the ignorance of citizens. The militia is the total populace. Reading history will confirm that. And the second amendment was to insure that citizens composed a well trained and equipped citizen militia so as to be used when necessary to defeat internal and external enemies. And on hunting--many states allow--and many hunters use--"assault" weapons for regular hunting, target shooting, and recreation. MILLIONS of them. Do some research and you will find the AR AK platforms to be the largest number being used and sold in recent times. MANY citizens want and use them. Very few are used illegally, and no law is gonna make a criminal and honest citizen. Many states do allow extended magazines for hunting. Check the facts before you make a further idiot of yourself. Jumping in on emotions is really dumb. I cant understand why unknowing commentators expect their dreamed-up statements will be believed!!!
larry
8:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
For decades I have seen photos and videos of violent, evil men/women around the world attacking usually unarmed and helpless citizens. Often both attackers and victims were citizens of the same country. But there has ALWAYS been one common denominator is all the photos and videos. The attackers ALWAY had weapons, usually guns. And usually the victims had no defense at all. That pattern should disturb, worry and cause the anti-self defense crowd to rethink their anti-weapon philosophy. Do I think such scenes are likely here? No. If I did I and my family would try to leave. But knowing human nature, it is POSSIBLE it can happen here.
REPUBLIC RISING
9:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
There is only one Lawful, Constitutional way out of this mess a Criminal Gov't got us into - finally all ensalved equally by the 14th Amendment.
LEARN MORE: http://intro.jointhedejurerepublic.com/index.php
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - don't like GUNS, Don't Get one.
That is your Right and your Coice, I respect that, now please respect My Right and My Choice.
G. R. Grayson
9:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sure, the Second Amendment give citizens the right to bear arms. . .but America in 1776 was NOTHING LIKE AMERICA IN 2013. This is an anachronistically faulty comparison. People do NOT need more guns to protect themselves. We need fewer gun fanatics who scream and rail about the Second Amendment. . .more money for police and law enforcements. . .fewer guns on the streets and in homes. Look at what has happened in other countries that have passed strict gun control laws: deaths have plummetted. Fanaticism in any form is dangerous. . .just as dangerous as a gun in every closet.
hazmaire
10:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I agree 100%, with this articial, I am old and am leaving this to younger people to debate, but before you give away your rights without a fight you better look at the past and future and make sure you are on the right side. They will have to pry my gun from my cold dead hands.
mushgal
11:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
hammers kill more people than guns. should we ban hammers? i know that sounds silly, but our 2nd amendment rights is just that...a Right to Bear Arms. heres one of the reasons, imo, we should leave our constitution Alone and adhere to it.
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Lawrence S
7:15 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Marc very well put, its sad that the Sheeple of this Country are so blind just and asking to continue being a Slave to the system they are to ignorant to see what is in front of their face now.. They don't even focus on the Big picture. Just look at Greece, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and many others in the direction they are currently headed.because it will and already is happening in the US now. We should just audit the FED and be done with this Ponzi System, I for one am sick of the Bank's ability to play God as it is now. Many in this Country will deserve getting what they are asking far they don't care or understand what is happening.
Harvey Wysong
9:39 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
I do appreciate Russ' comments, but it is important to understand that it is not illegal to own a machine gun, any other fully-automatic firearm, a rocket launcher, or a sawed-off shotgun . . . IF you pay a tax on it and register it. It's just a revenue law. True, it was designed to prevent people from owning them, but the legal issue is simply taxes.
Harvey Wysong
10:00 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
G.R. Grayson writes, "Sure, the Second Amendment give citizens the right to bear arms. . . ."
I'm sorry, Mr. Grayson; it does no such thing. The Second Amendment simply recognized the natural right of men (and women) to possess the arms (weapons) necessary for their self-defense. If you do not have a right to possess the means necessary to defend your life, you have no right to life.
You also erred in your statement, "Look at what has happened in other countries that have passed strict gun control laws: deaths have plummetted [sic]."
To get a good education on the matter, please read Kyle Becker's article and watch his video here: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/27890-choose-your-own-crime-stats/. It's well researched and well presented.
Also, please look up the story about Kennesaw, Georgia's firearms law.
I hope you'll reappraise your beliefs.
Jayson Parker
4:08 pm on Wednesday, April 17, 2013
For Kris, as others have pointed out, we the people (technically all able bodied males over the age of 17) are the militia. The militia is anyone who can be called upon to defend their neighbor, their state, or their country. It is perfectly legal for you to use deadly force to stop a robbery of a random person in a parking lot. A sheriff can come to your house and demand you bring your gun along for a posse. The President can issue an order that will force men into military service. It is generally legal for a property owner to invite his neighbors to defend his property and family with arms. All good men (and women) are militia.
Furthermore, few Americans realize that our founders did not invent a bill of rights. The origins go back to Henry I's Charter of Liberties, before the Magna Carta documents. Many of the ideas we adopted in our Constitution came directly from The Bill of Rights of 1688, one hundred years before the US Constitution was written. Included in that document is, "That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law." Before that, Henry II issued an order requiring free men to own arms. Our founders enshrined the limits on government into the Constitution, something England does not have.
The difference between a free man and a slave has often been the gun in the free man's hand.
Dennis Broadbooks
4:36 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Wow, Brian! You've never been clearer in your argument about any topic. Thanks for stating boldly what a lot of us also believe.
LMC
4:56 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
What we have are government officials that desire to strip citizens of their constitutional right to own firearms. It is NOT due to the horrific mass shootings, which have all occurred in "Gun Free zones", but it is to strip our ability to resist tyranny. And that is the sole purpose of the 'proposed' legislation coming. The statistics are absolute but the left ignores the stats completely because it's the 'agenda'.
Senator, I don't fully agree with you in that, it is clear to alot of us, that we are indeed in a tyranny. It is a soft tyranny at this point but what is occurring in our legislature at the national level is tryrannical. Are there any plans to introduce legislation on a state level, which will shore up Missouri's 2nd Amendment and state rights of firearm ownership? We need to strike before the feds do.
There are two avenues states can pursue and I sincerely hope our legislature keeps these in mind: 1. the 10th Amendment of the Constitution 2. nullification (this concept mentioned by Thomas Jefferson).
Thank you Senator for your continued stance on this and other constitutional issues. Please consider introducing legislation which will protect Missourians from this ever increasing encroachment by the feds.
Chris Arredondo
4:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The deterrence argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Think about the use of National Guard troops during the 60's to enforce integration and voting rights. The President wasn't afraid of an armed citizen rebellion.
Did Lincoln decide to change his mind on the slavery issue because the South decided to fight the North?
What the advocates of citizen gun power are advocating is for a government of intimidation rather than a democracy. No official of the government should even consider or be intimidated by the possibility of armed rebellion when carrying out their duties as democratically elected representatives of the people. This would be utter cowardice.
Would you like it if Liberals tried to intimidate the Conservatives of Missouri with violence? Would you consider that a legitimate use of the 2nd amendment?
Please be honest.
Deadmanwalkingby
8:01 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
In your last statement Chris, are you referring to the many acts of violence committed by union demonstrators in Wisconsin, Michigan, etc ???
Liberals always resort to violence when they can't win the argument with facts.
Richard
9:36 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
LMC, I agree with you, what I can't understand are the dolts that are saying an armed citizenry could never holdout against the firepower of the U.S military that would include the use of Tanks and planes. Tell that to the very few thousand Afghani fighters who drove out the Russians and have held the U.S military at bay for 10 years with no signs of giving in. Now multiply those few thousand Afghani fighters by 80 million or more armed American gun owners and you have an army larger than the world has ever seen. Many of those gun owners are experienced ex military personell and combat veterans. That coupled with the fact that an overwhelming number of military people would never fire on American citizens and many would even join with patriots fighting against a corrupt authoritarian government. And for the people who keep saying they think we should only be allowed to have a Musket that was guaranteed by the second amendment, I say if that is the case you should only be allowed to use a Quill pen to exercise your first amendment rights. Chris Arredondo who posted the nonsense about National Guard troops in the 60's and the fact that an armed citizenry didn't deter the enforcement of intergration seems to forget that it was only a small number of people who were against intergration. The majority was for intergration. But as usual these leftwing antigun nuts never give any real thought to what is obvious to all other right thinking people.
Stu Strickler
6:31 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Please get rid of the gun free zones in this state. Gun free zones are proven killing zones. Almost every major shooting [murder] has happened in a gun free zone.
Marc Perez
7:30 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
You are correct Stu, a person, especially one with a Conceal and Carry endorsement should be allowed to carry any place they have a legal righ to be. If they carry, what they carry and how they carry is no ones business. Honest law abiding citizens who have taken the training, aand passed a record check are NOT the ones who are committing the crimes. Punish the bad guy not the good guy!
Backgammon
11:50 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Might I add, in gun free zones by people who are in mental distress.
Let us address the mental state, not the guns.
Pat Bell
6:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hansek Palet
9:21 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Marc, if the pen is mightier than the sword, why not just use a pen to defend yourself. Your analogy, not mine.
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Well said, Stu. Would that the sharpest and most pointed weapon people used was their tongue and language
Chris Arredondo
11:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Richard, if you believe that a majority of white people in the South were for integration, where did you learn this?
The Klan which viewed themselves as defenders of their way of life (segregation) used violence and other tactics to intimidate local governments, juries, etc. Were they justified because they believed that the government didn't have the right to tell them to end segregation or to allow black citizens to vote?
Every person who would like to rebel against the government thinks that their cause is just. How do we decide who is right?
As to Deadmanwalkingby's comment: I completely agree with you and you are really making my point. I'm very liberal, but I will not defend people who use violence and intimidation to achieve their political ends. However, I fear that too many people who support the Senator's article believe that intimidation is ok if it's in response to liberal policies, but not the other way around.
Chris Arredondo
11:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Here's a Thought Experiment:
-Should Puerto Rican nationalists try to rebel against the US government?
-Should black people have taken up arms to get the right to vote? (that's the definition of tyranny if there ever was one)
-Should liberals have taken up arms against the Bush Administration because they disagreed with the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore and felt that the result was undemocratic?
If you agree with the Senator's position and can answer yes to any of these then you definitely get points for consistency.
If your answers are no I hope that you can see the contradiction.
Hansek Palet
9:07 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Umm, let's say we really get an Assad type dictator elected and he decides to just crush the people of America. How would guns square up with the might of the US Armed Forces, Unarmed Aerial Vehicles and the muscle of the largest military force on this planet ?
Stu Strickler
9:35 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
The military will not follow an illegal order against American citizens. As a retired senior NCO I know what constitututes an illegal order.
Senator Brian Nieves
9:41 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Hansek,
I read your response to Marc and this comment... Are you serious? Do you really want to discuss the issue or are you simply stirring the pot? I agree with Stu and Marc and I too served ten years on active duty. The majority of American soldiers will not kill fellow citizens when given illegal orders to do so.
Caffeinated
10:49 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Mr Nieves & Mr. Stickler, you seem to have missed Hansek Palet's point.
To put it in simple terms, what hope does your stockpile of semi-automatics have against a standing army?
If they come for you and your family (a preposterous notion), do you honestly feel your AR-15s afford you the opportunity to keep the "bad guys" in check?
Matt Hay
11:37 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Caffeinated, perhaps you can open a book and read about the Mujahadeen keeping the Soviets at bay for over a decade? Most men and woman who swear the oath what enemies foreign and domestic means. As for their superior firepower, for another historical reference Google the date April 19th, 1775 and you can then read about how a group of farmers with Kentucky Long Rifles and Cannons made of melted bells and pot metal defeated the greatest and best equipped military force on the planet at that time.
Weapons systems can do a lot, but it is the fortitude and resolve of the men and women behind them that matter most. As they say, a Marine and his rifle is the most deadly weapons system ever devised.
Are you actually serious with your comments, or just trying to stir the pot? I have a hard time believing that anyone could be so daft and ignorant of the multitudes of historical examples (the Battle of Thermopylae is yet another), where a force inferior in number and weaponry has decimated, or held at bay a far superior force in number and armament. History is replete with examples.
Barry Sibole
11:15 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hansek you make the point exactly. what IF a dictator type is elected, and we allow this control of law abiding citizens to go through for you and yours piece of mind, and we are stripped of our right to own weapons, equal to what our foes might have, how will we defend ourselves without these weapons. people dont "need" a big screen tv in every room, people dont "need" xbox', ps3 etc..... they WANT them and as freedom rings they can own them, just like any weapon i can afford to buy, as a law abiding citizen, i should be able to buy, not because i "need" it because legally i can and i WANT it.
John Hancock
11:21 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I believe I heard there are more privately owned firearms in Alabama than in Iraq...times 50 states ...would be a whopper of a fight. The leaders of Japan decided against an invasion of the American mainland in WWII because it was stated by one leader there..that " there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass".
47pilot
11:48 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The largest military on the planet is the armed American Citizens. The state of WI. has more armed
citizens that are hunters, than the U.S. has in its armies, add in all of the other states, and we have more than enough armed citzens to defend this country against anyone out there.. Technology can be defeated easier than the human spirit!!
Russ
11:53 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hansek...........the Ameriacan will is strong. This has been demonstrated thru history. I also beleive that our Armed forces and police would side with the American people. We have a group that shoots together and this issue has come up several times. In every instance, the ex- vets and police agree that they would side with the people.
Of course, I hope we never come to that but as I have found, history does repeat itself. I only hope, we as Americans can find a way to come together and continue to prosper as a Nation.
theirondude
12:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Stu,
I disagree, just look at New Orleans after katrina. The military will follow orders just as law enforcement did when they took guns from law abiding citizens while leaving the lawless armed... google it.
Michael A. Graham
12:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The same way the Afghans did,by sniper fire, IED's ,ambush and patience....
Marc Jordan
12:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I absolutely hate this argument, and it's one that is used over and over and over again to justify the second amendment. Everyone with your point of view paints the picture that once the guns are taken away, that YOUR government is going to instantly take over. Here are the cold, hard facts. Most countries around the world don't allow their citizens to possess firearms yet they are extremely stable countries where their governments are not looking to take over their citizens. Look at each and every western European country, look at Australasia, look at most Asian countries including Japan. So what makes the US so ripe for government takeover should guns be confiscated? Your arguments just don't hold water my friend.
Lastly, if the second amendment is so great, why was it an afterthought? Why wasn't it in the body of the Constitution? Are there other items in the Bill of Rights which grant us freedom but are also restrictive in nature? You bet.
Manorbanker
12:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hansek-
Japan was able to figure out that invading the US was something to be avoided. The architect of Pearl Harbor, Yamamoto, informed the Imperial Staff that it would be foolish to invade the US as "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". He had lived in the US and was familiar with our ways.
DL Handcock
2:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Well, lets see. Iraq & Afganistan are as about out of the mainstream as any country could be & consider all of the damage they've caused * we haave manmy more weapons &much better educations then they have. Unlike the left,most of us DO NOT need government to take care of us or run our live's. IF yopu consider the fact that Cops today are already coming into our home's w/o warrants or authorization knowing that 1/2 of us do have weapons, what do you think will happen when they know no one has a weapon? SXome knucklehead above wreote about the founding fathers * that allmen were created equal while there were slaves. The slaves were brought in under British rule. It took America about 52 years to do away with Slavery once we had full control. WE were still fighting the British up until 1812,which then prettymuch ended their rule, even though we had signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Also,m the Musket was the high tech weapon of the day & the founding fathers meant that we should also be able to bare the most high tech weaponry of our day.
DL Handcock
3:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
sorry for the typos, my keyboard is still messed up Got to get another.
DL Handcock
3:12 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Caffeinated- Do or have you ever watched any of the gun shows? We have citizens that own tanks, AAA machine guns *MUCH MUCH More. We have citizens that can build their own guns. Have you ever watched the shows on TV where citizens build their own rockets that can go miles into the air? Plus the fact that many military willNOT fire on us & will defect with their weaponry. Take a look at Libya, Syria & other countries recently that have or are falling to their citizens fed up with dictatorships. You folks need to educate yourself as much as you think you are. But most of you would rather go along with tyranny then top fight it. Therefore, we definetlyuknow that your family would NOT have been one of the hereos we reaxd about in the history books.
Carl Smith
3:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Gee, I don't know...why don't you ask the unarmed Egyptian populace how they made out vs. the Egyptian army and national police?
Safety first
4:14 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Do you think that US soldiers are all drones? Do you think that all the police are the same way? Don't you understand that these men and women are Moms and Dads, Sons and Daughters of the people you are talking too? Just about every soldier and police officer i have ever known says the same thing. They will fight to the death for our constitution. America is what matters. Nothing more and nothing less. Freedom or Death.
John E Iacono
4:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The armed forces would be MUCH less likely to try to "defeat" 80 million gun owners in state of rebellion, in my thinking
Franklin Leon Johnson
6:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
That my friend is exactly what the Russians thought in afghanistan, wasn't it.
Going by some of the posts on here, Its true , You can't fix stupid.
Deadmanwalkingby
8:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hansek & Caffeinated....Open your ears and shut your mouths for a few minutes ........... do you really think American soldiers are going to going to follow an illegal order to kill American citizens who have committed no crime. I agree with Stu, Marc, and the others that have commented. Most American soldiers would go AWOL before shooting citizens. I really hope you're not as stupid as your posts indicate.
SJERSEYDEVIL9
8:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If anyone thinks that 100% of the American army would turn on the American citizens I'm quite sure you would be wrong. If that order were ever given there would be major Mutiny. There would be two armies.
Richard
9:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Umm. so, Hansek Palet, do you suggest we just sit back and let it happen? And you might ask how a few thousand insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan held the most powerful military in the world at bay for 10 years, and ask the powerful Russian military how they got their tails kicked out of Afghanistan by a group of not so well equipped rebel fighters. And I hope you don't think so poorly of our own men in the military as to think they would kill fellow Americans on orders from an Assad type dictator. I'm willing to wager that over half would join up fighting beside fellow citizen patriots. We haven't come this far to let ourselves be taken over by some tin pot dictator. I guess you don't know Americans very well, do you.
John Lena
10:23 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Thank you Senator for keeping a level head and maintaining the integrity and importance of our Second Amendment rights! There are many of us who feel the same way. Stick to your guns!
Caffeinated
10:32 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Maintaining the integrity of your Second Amendment rights?
"Shortly after the primary election, he was accused, in a police report no less, of locking a Republican consultant who supported one of his opponents in a room, threatening him with a gun and verbally berating and intimidating the young man."
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/the-platform/editorial-sen-brian-nieves-shameful-act-wears-thin/article_7fc2ac69-20ff-5ba3-b0d1-f70e28d5d152.html
You're a joke of Akin-like proportions, Mr. Nieves, and you're shaking down the gun rubes to line your coffers in a bald attempt at improving your own political fortunes.
Shameful.
Doug
1:19 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Surely you are being sarcastic
mushgal
11:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
John Lena perfectly said. thank you!
Senator Brian Nieves
10:57 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Imagine my shock, surprise, and hurt feelings when I see someone like Mr. or perhaps Mrs. "Caffeinnated" resort to attacks, insults and lies! If I wasn't so familiar with the utterly predictable nature of the left, I'd be surprised but with them - it's always the same...
Step 1. Insult those with whom you disagree.
Step 2. Lie about those with whom you disagree.
Step 3. Never ever ever actually talk about the actual issue.
Step 4. Use quotes from papers or editorial boards that are an utter joke.
Step 5. Never ever use your real name so the people you work with won't know who you are and how immature you are.
To my conservative friends - Don't let the likes of caffeinated and their ilk get to you! Most of them still live with their Mommy!
To my reasonable friends who are to the left of me but can actually have a real conversation without insults and lies... I welcome your thoughts and input.
Caffeinated
7:53 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"I welcome your thoughts and input."
Lies? Read it for yourself, and if they're lies you should definitely sue the P-D.
As for being a liberal, funny how easily you resort to labeling someone without any information? If anyone questions you they're part of the "Liberal Conspiracy?"
You are a used car salesman, sir. Both figuratively and literally, and if pulling a gun on a Republican operative is your idea of gun safety I don't think you're the one to be touting gun rights.
Why do you want my real name, Mr. Nieves? Are you going to pull a gun on me too, thug?
Caffeinated
8:01 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"Most of them still live with their Mommy"
Seriously, this is the best you can do? No wonder you need to pull out a firearm for the "punchline."
Senator Brian Nieves
11:01 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Caffeinated,
Your 1st interaction w/me contained ugly insults - go back & read it. You begin your first discourse w/me by being ugly, rude, & insulting! Why? Because we disagree! That is profoundly predictable with people like you. This will be the last time I respond to you because you are not an "honest broker," you do not want open, honest discussion, you only want to attack & lie. I'll address a couple of the most stupid things you've said then I'll be out of your life. You suggest I sue the post disgrace for printing lies about me? Wow, that suggestion is RICH! Yes, that "editorial" is packed with 100% total LIES. If you have more than a 6th grade education, you know full well that it is nearly impossible to sue a news paper when, not if, they lie. You know, & so does the post disgrace, that for me to succeed in court I would have to prove they knew what they printed was false AND that they knowingly printed lies for the specific purpose of damaging me. Everybody knows it is basically impossible to successfully sue a news paper & thats why they continue to lie. So, are you listening? What you referenced from the post is a LIE, Period. Next point, a "pariah" in the legislature? Thats comical! Eight years in the House with almost all of that in a leadership position elected by my peers. Pariah? In my 1st year as a Senator I was appointed Vice Chair over two significant committees & my colleagues just elected me to Senate Leadership? Pariah? Only to left wing moon bats!
jeff B
11:40 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
the cowardly caffeinated would be the one in a mall parking lot screaming for help like a little girl while he and his family are robbed at knife point by three masked people. he would feel different if an armed citizen came to there rescue before any harm came to " HIS " family . Oh but wait , I forgot that his family's lives are worth more than mine . my god , how terrible of me .
mishka
11:47 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator , Thank you for wording this situation so well. I am sorry there are people like Mr Caffeinnated out there . But with the hostility of his comments I am glad (hopefully) that he is unarmed,
Russ
11:59 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Brian..........we need more people like you. Why does it seem that more common sense come from our nation's heartland and not California or New York which are our most populated areas ?
Josh Washington
12:35 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Bryan Nieves, this is the first time I 've heard about you. Your first name makes you appear as a real American, but your last name indicates something ... else to me. If I may ask, are you a Caribbean, Latino, or European offspring? Ones should always remember who they are, where they were coming from, and where they are going to or where they should go. Why? There are more important issues needed to be discussed. Literacy, poverty, immigration, health matters, jobs, etc. Gun control may not be one of the most important issue for you to get involved in.
Mark Wilson
1:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Nieves please come into the 21st century. Do you honestly believe that if our government really wanted to take away our guns they would not be able to do so because we have automatic weapons? If our country ever got to that point we as citizens would be helpless against the missles, tanks, ships, bombers etc. that would be waged against us. This will never happen of course but you seem to think it is a possibility even though anyone with any common sense knows it is not. Our government is not trying to take away our guns. Only regulate them in minor ways. I can change the clip in my gun in less than two seconds. Having a clip with only ten bullets in it is plenty for almost any concieved attack against me or my family in these modern times. Please see a psychiatrist as those of us with intelligence can purely see you are in need of one for your paranoia.
DL Handcock
3:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Brian, I am sure that you know that you will have a large following & the arguments & ignorance from the left will always be just that, Ignorance. Just like Caffeinated & Hansek, Liberals are afraid to use what little brain they do have, buy then again, thats why they MUST be lead & trhewy follow w/o question, as long as someone else is taking care ofthem.
DL Handcock
3:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sorry for typos again. (trhewy= they),
Barb
7:47 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Nieves....please stop pandering to the unstable on this site and look for your donations elsewhere...it's insulting.
Phelps
9:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Nieves, I am a democrate plus conservative in my views and I know one things for sure, most if not all my friends believe as you do. Like me they all owns many different kinds of weapons/guns and will fright to protect our Second Amendment rights, for now our freedom of speech is our best weapon to shut down these lunatics and push them back under their rocks who would want to disarm Americans!
All of us see a very different order coming soon when the MTL's put the senate back under control of the conservatives in our government. I stand in the middle in my beliefs as do most of my friends plus their friends also, but this issue alone is the tipping point for all of us to vote and put conservatives back in control of the senate again!
Jason Davidson
11:23 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I have no idea why the so called learned progressives can not understand this simple statement. This right shall NOT be infringed, and ANY regulations of any kind is an infringement of this right, whether the regulation is passed by the Federal, State, or local governments. Also these same progressives keep forgetting ( very handy tactic of theirs) that the SCOTUS has ruled on several cases that state that.....We the people ARE the militia that is mentioned in the 2nd Amendment. These progressives also need to realize that they are the type of people that the founders had in mind ( the type of people that believe government is all knowing, all powerful, and should be able to do anything it wants to to force the rest of the people to comply) when they wrote the 2nd Amendment to help the rest of us protect ourselves from.
David Gorfinkle
11:24 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If you read the history of the American Revolution and the founding of our country carefully you will better understand the origins of the second ammendment. The line of defense against the British were the militias which at that time were made up mostly of private citizens. A small percentage of them were required to have arms with them at all times and these men were called "Minutemen." There was no organized army. Now in the 21st century we do not have the same situation. If you want to live in the past so be it. There are millions of fellow citizens who feel that guns should be regulated for the common good. We do not need NRA Rambos roaming the streets carrying all kinds of high power weapons using the excuse that they are protecting us. What they are protecting are their macho self images.
JOHN MASTANDREA
11:32 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN THIS WAS WRITTEN IN 1776 AND THE REASONS FOR IT ARE OBSOLETE. WE WERE AT WAR WE HUNTED FOR OUR FOOD, NO POLICE TO PROTECT OR HOMES FROM SAY INDIANS ETC. HELP ME OUT HERE ARE WE STILL LIVING IN THAT SAME WORLD? AND YOU ARE OUR REPRESENTATIVES MILITIA ARMS WARS DICTATOR ETC ETC OH AND THE US ARMED THE MUJHADEEN READ YOUR HISTORY. I GUESS WEARE REGRESSING LETS ARM EVERYONE YOU GO IN A BAR HAVE A FEW DRINKS, DSOMEONE DOES NOT LIKE THE FACT YOU TOOK HIS SET AND LETS GO OUT IN THE STREET AND HAV A GUN FIGHT. WE CAN HAVE NEIBORHOOD GUNFIGHT CONTESTS FOR PRIZES ETC. YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ASSES. PARANOIA THAT IS WHAT YOU PLAY ON.
ConserveObserve
11:49 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
To: JOHN MASTANDREA
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
jore
12:26 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
To those that say we do not live "in those times anymore", really? You must be the upper middle class and hide your eyes when driving, not read the REAL news etc. We have killings, rapes, robberies out the backside. I am ill and I lost everything due to it, I do not think I am owed anything but the social security I paid all those years for. However it has left me living in ghettos or projects, believe me this is a war zone, a daily struggle. I watch it and I see the people sick and homeless under the bridge, they get robbed and rapped etc all the time, your liberal papers do not report such things, they only report the sensational or something they can lie about. I believe I will protect myself from the liberals around me who are so violent and think preying on others is right that what I have is theirs, and from their government as well.
Manorbanker
12:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
David-
You are right. Here in the 21st century we do not have the same situation......yet.
Doug
1:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
rocket propelled grenades?
shoulder fired missiles?
DL Handcock
3:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Well said Jason.
beachtyper
5:32 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
'We the People' are not a militia! In Israel, Switzerland all citizens are part of a TRAINED militia. Look up the definition of 'militia'
Also - America's Founding Father were progressives
Tim Hays
11:26 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Thank you Sen Nieves for defending our second amendment rights and Having the wisdom of knowing that criminals don't follow the law anyway and that only law abiding citizens will suffer if any more restrictions are imposed upon them.Only someone like the lefty Mrs Caffeinated would not consider the facts and assume what the govt and the local papers are telling us is the truth or perhaps he don't know what the truth is because he hasn't utilized it recently.I hope someday you don't need a gun to defend yourself Mrs Caffeinated and that you actually stop and consider the truth in your mindset. Let me try to explain it to you like this.If a drunk driver kills someone in a wreck do we ban cars and alcohol .No we don't! The person pays the price. As for me and my family we support Sen Nieves in defending our second amendment rights.
Rebecca Polok
11:35 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Some argue that the presence of a gun escalates violence in too many situations. Need I remind you that the Jews were unarmed when the violence escalated all around them during WWII? Had they armed themselves, many lives might have been saved!
Matt Hay
11:40 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
As they say, "God made Man, but Samuel Colt made them equal." The Founders specifically intended that the Government not have the monopoly on force. They saw this as the last line of protection. Once the Government has the monopoly on force, liberty cannot exist, and one is essentially a slave.
james j campbell
12:50 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The Jews were not unarmed and fought to the last person in many cases, could not prevail against a orginized & powerful Nazi Government THAT HAD THE SUPPORT OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE.. you are fooling yourself if you think that you or any unoriganized group could stand against the U.S. Military or even a local swat team.
Doug
1:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
and the US government is the equivalent of the Nazi government?
Neuwirth decendent
2:36 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I totally agree. My aunt married a man who was the only survivor of a Jewish family in Germany. He had his arm tatooed by the Nazi's with his prisoner number, and was in a concentration camp when the Allies freed Germany from Hitler's Army. If it had been the practice of families to own a gun, they and their neighbors could have defended themselves. Undoubtably some lives would have been lost, but it would have allowed Chrisitians who were frightened by the Nazi's to stand up for their beliefs too.
Thomas A. Katt
2:45 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A famous man once said, "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" This was said by Adolph Hitler in 1935. The politicians & the courts have turned our constitution into toilet paper, not a good grade either. Maybe between a Sears Roebuck catalogue and a corn cob.
Tim Hays
11:41 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Open your eyes Hansek! How many people have the governments of the world killed as opposed to any other cause of death??
Craig Moore
11:59 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Mr. Nieves,
I just want to say I'm glad that you bring all this up and talk about why you believe we need not let them change laws that were written by men that foreseen that men in power would abuse. They will continually want more power and the only way for more power is to take control. This is clearly at Hand. God bless you and all Americans who want to keep this country FREE!!!!!!!! I and many others stand with you and believe your doing whats Right.
Craig Moore
12:13 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mr. Nieves,
I just want to say I'm glad that you bring all this up and talk about why you believe we need not let them change laws that were written by men that foreseen that men in power would abuse. They will continually want more power and the only way for more power is to take control. This is clearly at Hand. God bless you and all Americans who want to keep this country FREE!!!!!!!! I and many others stand with you and believe your doing whats Right.
Greg Zotta
4:46 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The Second Amendment is not about hunting; it is about the people being able to defend themselves from an overreaching tyrannical government. You have a God-given right to be able to defend yourself and your family. Also, the Founders did envision the people being able to arm themselves with the weapons of today, because they had fought a revolution against a tyrannical government. Would this country be here today if the Founders were not armed to fight the British?
David Gorfinkle
12:53 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We are no longer fighting King George's troops. I see in many of the posts the idea that we need to be armed so that we can resist our own government. I propose that the Founders did not have that in mind at all. In fact, advocating the violent overthrow of our own government is a crime and carries some pretty drastic penalties.
Mr Demarco
3:04 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Advocating the overthrow of congress, or the government, was made illegal by FDR (democrat). It was intentionally left out of the constitution previously.
The founders did have in mind that citizens be allowed to defend themselves against a tyrannical government that oversteps its bounds either by (imminent domain property takeovers by city/state officials), or by warrantless arrests (new defense bill, and Patriot Act), it simply shows that people are blind to what is happening anymore.
Pierre
3:29 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You can overthrow your government very easily, vote them out in the NEXT ELECTION.
Deadmanwalkingby
8:32 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mr Gorfinkle.......are your eyes brown, because you're full of $#!&. Our forefathers had just committed a violent overthrow of a tyrannical govt. I guess the old adage .............."You can't fix STUPID, is right after all.
Greg Zotta
4:49 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Did Hitler ban gun ownership?The following are some excerpts from a June 16, 2000 Staff Report from the Straight Dope Science Advisory Board titled: Did Hitler ban gun ownership?
The point of the report is to debunk the following quote attributed to Adolf Hitler, “This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” The article points out there are no proven, historical records of Hitler making that statement. It does not mean he did not say it privately or that he believes in the statement...
Thomas A. Katt
3:01 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Didn't say Hitler banned guns. Said he had all guns registered. He took them after he knew where they all were. Same will happen here if all guns are registered. Remember, POLITICIANS CANNOT BEAR NOT BEING IN COMPLETE CONTROL, AND AS LONG AS CITIZENS HAVE A WAY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, (GUNNS) POLITICIANS WILL BE AFTER THEM.
Harvey Wysong
6:23 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Registration.
Confiscation.
Genocide.
All genocides in the 20th Century have started as weapons registration.
Greg Zotta
4:49 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
...The report continues:
“...When the Nazis enacted their own law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits. Later that year, after "Kristallnacht," Hitler forbade Jews to possess pretty much any weapons.
Permits were only given to people of "undoubted reliability" who demonstrated a "need" for a gun. The law made it easy for Hitler to make sure his opponents couldn't get permits and thus had no access to firearms.
To summarize, Hitler did "effect total gun control," but only for the Jews, and only after his regime had been in power for several years. For the rest of the population he relied on laws already in place...”
The answer is yes to the question, “Did Hitler ban gun ownership?” Especially, if you were a Jew or not a reliable ally of Hitler. And we all know what happened to the unarmed Jews.
Donald A. O'Donahue
12:05 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Greg Zotta Also, The us Gun Control Act of 1968 was taken almost word for word from the Nazi Gun Control Act of 1938. Source; Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership--www.jpfo.org Alla youse anti gunners google it. In Nazi Germany Jews couldn't even have a jacknife in their pocket, and we know what happened to the European Jews. Shalom
Karl Schneider
6:27 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I have told people for years, what is stated in the following quote from this article. (http://www.notfooledbygovernment.com/gun%20control.htm) The reaction is usually the same, most don't believe this to be true:
The Constitution prohibits a standing army. In the 1939 Supreme Court case U.S. v. Miller 307 US 174 we learn what the Second Amendment was about. In order to suppress a military coup that overthrows the government, we must be able to show up on the battlefields with weapons equal to the military, in order to take back our government. If you are prohibited from buying weapons equal to the military, then you do not live in a free country.
Chris Arredondo
4:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The United States Army was created in 1796. Were the Founding Fathers violating the Constitution?
Ken Eberhart
8:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Good luck in your efforts to purchase attack helicopters, tow missiles, stand off nuclear weapons, tanks, armored personal carriers, strategic bombers, fighter jets, aircraft carriers, etc etc etc. If you think having an AR-15 and an SUV will be enough to stand up to the US Military, good luck. Why not trust the men and women if the Armed Forces to never take orders from any leadership to attack US citizens? I put my faith in the Military to not only protect us from exterior threats, but also interior threats. They took an oath to defend this nation. Why would they attack the citizens they have taken an oath to defend. That is hollow logic. It would never happen, ever.
Curtis Brown
6:35 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The 2nd amendment did not establish armories to provide for a militia. They could have but did not. The 2nd amendment did not establish a militia (minutemen). The writings of the founders made it clear why -- they wanted the constitution to have real teeth. And for the people who want to know what integrity is: ask the military to violate their one and Only oath -- to Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States against All Enemies Foreign and Domestic. An Oath Once taken, never countermanded.
Mr Demarco
3:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
people tend to conveniently forget the domestic part.
Karl Schneider
7:09 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
To Hansek, & Stu; The point is not whether or not we can stand against a fully trained and weaponized army, it is that we must always have the ability to attempt to defend against that army. The right to self defense, at any level is a basic right that we all have, whether the government approves or not. In my opinion, anyone that says they don't believe this to be true, says so because they are too spineless to stand for their loved ones or themselves, and are living in a dream that makes them think that bad things only happen somewhere else.
We must as a nation, think beyond what is best for us at this time. We must always be thinking of the freedoms of our children & grandchildren. The future generations are the ones that will live enslaved, if we do not maintain our rights. I will even go further and say that we need to regain, freedoms that have already been taken by the federal government.
To those of you that have said that our military would not turn arms against us: I wish you were correct, but there are many that would. And to further this problem, we also can never forget that the U.N. could be called in with foreign troops to suppress anything that those in power could justify in the eyes of the world. Our own troops go worldwide for similar reasons. Always be wary when large numbers of our troops are deployed elsewhere.
I am running out of the allowed space, so I will leave it at that for now. Karl
Marc Perez
8:08 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
FYI "Caffeinated" posts on many "Patch" forums using this name, never his/her own name of course. Generally the discussion goes the same as it is going here. Best to just not reply as I learned. Provocative discussion, name calling and insults are what he/she posts. The left never takes responsibility, its always some elses fault. Example is case at hand. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what the founding fathers gave us, some just like to put in an (*), with a foot note. There are no foot notes to rights, freedom and liberty, they are to be exercised or lost. Freedoms lost are very difficult to gain back. Me circa 2013..........
Caffeinated
8:22 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"FYI "Caffeinated" posts on many "Patch" forums using this name, never his/her own name of course"
...as is my right according to the 1st Amendment and the policies of Patch.
Marc, I'll give all the respect I deem one deserves. You have yet to engage in thoughtful discussion on restrictions on semi-automatic weapons or large cap mags. I have asked you repeatedly why one needs these weapons, and you have yet to answer.
Others have answered this question: to fight the government. I would argue that is delusional. You are not going to bring down an Abrams with an AR-15.
I think I've gotten one honest answer on the question, however: that they enjoy using their weapons for sport: target shooting. That it's fun. The question as I see it is to measure whether the cost to society is worth your fun.
As for Brian Nieves: he is a pariah in the legislature, and should be. Everyone should take a good look at your "2nd Amendment Champion" and Google his history of "statesmanship."
Michael A. Graham
12:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Wow, awesome spin, Caffeinated..You quote your first amendment rights while trying to deny my second amendment rights.....
Russ Agnot
3:48 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hello Caffeinated, you are correct that an armed citizen can not take down a tank just as a wasp can not generally take down a person, but a nest of wasps may do it. The idea behind the second amendment and its continued existance is that is provides a deterant to those that may attempt to subjugate Americans. You dont fight a tank...You wait until evening when the tank stops for the day and shoot the crew as they exit the vehicle. You make an enemy force pay for its occupation with their lives...one at a time until they decide it just isn't worth trying to take something that was not theirs to take. In the event of an government take over that is supported by US troops we can do the following math: The US Military has 1.5 million active troops and 1.5 million reserve troops so roughly 3.0 million troop vs the adult US civilian population of roughly 210 million. Not a fight that a tyrant could win even with the US troops on his/her side. This is why we keep our arms and focus more on the issue...Everyone needs a gun so the bad guys can be stopped cold in their tracks. Armed teachers could have prevented the tragedy in Newton. The principle was trying to fight him unarmed with her bare hands.
Paul Kerpash
8:29 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
1) Enforce the laws that already exist.
2) Eliminate gun-free zones.
3) Execute people like Jared Loughner by hanging in the public square.
4) Leave lawful law abiding gun owners alone.
Sammy Janis
11:27 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Amen. Is that so hard to understand?
Doug
1:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
lawful law abiding gun owners -- like Adam Lanza's mother?
Michelle Bautista
8:40 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The only reason that keeps other countries,like Iran, from invading the US, is that they know the people are armed over here. Take that away, downsize our arsenal, take away space exploration, dismiss most of our armed forces, and what will Iran see? A doormat!!!
Mark Wilson
12:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Please come back to reality. Iran has no way to invade the United States. They have very little air force and very little navy. Our military is the best in the world and no one is stupid enough to attack America. They may pull off a few terroristic attacks but would never get within reach of anything else.
Doug
1:27 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I would think that foreign countries are afraid of the US military and not hotshot twits shooting their AR-15's out of the windows of their trailers or the back windows of their pick-ups. This is not Rambo or Red Dawn, you pea brains.
Pat Bell
7:47 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I'm curious to see how Iran, a small country with scores of its own problems, would manage to invade the U.S. If it has a navy, is it more than minuscule? How well do you think this little navy would manage the logistics of crossing the ocean and then invading this huge country? I suspect that would be a greater deterrent than the knowledge we have a sizable gun-mad population. (Please understand I'm not lumping ALL gun owners in that group. Recreational hunters who use traditional shotguns may not fit the categorization of "gun-mad.")
Why are you saying "take away space exploration"?
Why are you saying "dismiss most of our armed forces"?
Do I understand you're not among those who decry all the money expended -- for whatever reason -- by the government?
Larry Lazar
9:01 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Great idea, but why stop at only having AR-15's in every home? If we are fighting against an invading army or a tyranical government we'll need a LOT more firepower than that.
I'm thinking M-50 machine guns mounted in turrets on every roof top (next to the TOW launchers)
Concertina wire and landmines will be required - of course.
Pehaps a M1 Abrahams tank or two for every subdivision?
We'll also need shoulder fired grenade launchers to defend against Apache Helicopters.
Tactical nuclear and chemical bombs will be tough to come by for sure, but if we want to be able to truly defend ourselves we'll need to be on an even keel.
It will be expensive of course, but at least we'll have our freedoms.
This is the logical extension of your absolutely absurd argument.
Barry Sibole
11:23 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Larry, the weapons you list are already regulated against ownership, unless you go through a lot of red tape to own, so your argument is absurd. The concern shouldnt fall with the fact law abiding citizens want to own any legal weapon they can afford, it should fall with an overreaching government that want to limit those rights.
W. T. Connaughton
11:24 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
How many active duty military are there in this country? How many of those would turn their weapons on their fellow countrymen? Also consider that there are over 80,000,000 legal gun owners in the U.S. As a famous Japanese admiral once observed, "There is a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Barb
8:07 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This agenda is something the Tea Party would pass in the House REALLY quick !! This is exactly the environment that the unstable on this site welcome as well as the gun manufacturers and NRA who really are laughing all the way to the bank !!
Karl Schneider
10:29 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Apparently, Caffeinated did not read my post above. The US government has no authority to restrict our weapons in any way. They have convinced most people that they do, under the commerce clause. This is a farce. The only real authority that they have is on federal property. As to weapons in general and firearms in particular, as I stated above "The Constitution prohibits a standing army. In the 1939 Supreme Court case U.S. v. Miller 307 US 174 we learn what the Second Amendment was about. In order to suppress a military coup that overthrows the government, we must be able to show up on the battlefields with weapons equal to the military, in order to take back our government".
"If you are prohibited from buying weapons equal to the military, then you do not live in a free country."
But most people seem to think that the next guy is not responsible enough to own a full auto weapon or something else that they thinks looks mean, our rights keep dwindling away.
Hal Malen
11:03 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"Our Founding fathers were so very very clear about why they wanted us to have weapons."
I agree. A musket for everyone. Our founding fathers said this without knowledge of assulat weapons and guns that could fire multiple rounds in seconds. So lets do what the founding fathers intended.
ConserveObserve
11:24 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Muskets were for defending against muskets. Therefore, semi-automatics are for defending against semi-automatics....sir.
Barry Sibole
11:35 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I may be the only one but i dont see a single word about musket in the 2nd Amendment. Our founders came from a tyrannical government, and fought to free themselves and us from one and KNEW we would one day need to defend the freedoms they fought and died to create.
Nancy Merbitz
11:05 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Dufus - when you first talk with your political allies who have recommended "2nd Amendment remedies" to throw out those who have been elected by us in the MAJORITY, then I may listen to your points about gun control. The crazies of the far Right are not primarily aiming to prevent tryanny (a worthy goal, which historically has sometimes required force and guns) but to prevent me and others in the MAJORITY from moving into the future with RATIONAL policies to protect society, children, the climate, etc etc etc. Your allies are CRAZY and DANGEROUS. I fear their guns.
ConserveObserve
11:28 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Crazy is deviating from the Constitution, and all it's wisdom.
Butch Anderson
1:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"Senator Dufus, 2nd amendment remedies, Crazies of the far Right, allies are CRAZY and Dangerous, I fear their guns". This example of name calling is exactly why the left is to be feared. More laws and control will work to control exactly what??
Oh yeah, the Drug war has been so successful. Connecticut has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and did a good job of contolling the CRIMINAL that decided to act out. The Criminal by definition does not care about Your Laws. Why cant the left understand this?????
jore
3:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The replies here are accurate to the "dufus" name caller. But most of the people making these dumb commments are not able to comprehend what they read, as is obvious in their lack of understanding the Constitution.
Phil Stork
11:11 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This man is a Senator? Anyone that donates a single penny to this man's campaign coffer should have their head examined. We clearly need more gun control and not maintaining the status quo. Here is my attempt at a fair compromise that should appease both sides of this debate. First, Congress should ban all semi-automatic weapons. A woman in CT put it best by calling them killing machines. Then, Congress needs to enact legislation that if you commit a crime, any crime, with a gun, any gun, and are found guilty by a jury of your peers, then you must be sentenced to the death penalty. That way all of you NRA gun lovers and 2nd Amendment protectors can have all the legal guns you want and the rest of us get to see the criminal population decrease one by one. Comments?
Barry Sibole
11:26 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
More gun control, thats sweet. i guess you forget the "assault" weapons ban of clinton 1994 to 2004, which during that time "military" style guns and high capacity magzines were banned, YET columbine school shooting took place during this ban. So Phil tell me how gun control stops mass shootings, how regulating, NOW HERE IS THE KEY, LAW abiding citizens with more laws will stop the LAWLESSNESS of criminals. they dont follow the laws anyway.
Backgammon
12:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
In case you missed this:
Here is a video from N C that does not sound like a hoax. It is from a Police Lieutenant.
http://youtu.be/MAVGkU7_OQ4
Backgammon
12:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Brian Nieves is not even in my state, BUT, I would support him if the cowards will not.
freedom fighter
7:13 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
what will really happen is that us nra gun lovers will read about the rest of you anti gun nuts and your families are robbed,murdered,raped ,assaulted and who knows what else by some criminal who doesn't give a damn about the laws.if you are lucky maybe one of us gun lovers will be in the area to save your ass while you are still waiting for the police to answer the phone.
mark james
11:15 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I have mixed feelings about gun control. However, I wish "gun nuts" like Senator Nieves would stop writing op-ed pieces like this which are far more revealing of their own paranoia than they are of anything else.
The Second Amendment has been in effect with the rest our Constitution since 1789. That's a total of 223 going on 224 years. You'd think at some point you'd stop hearing paranoid ramblings which suggest that our government is on the verge of collapse or that our government (which we elect) is going to destroy all our freedom and we need guns to protect ourselves against it. Oh no, though, the gun rights advocates continue to utter this nonsense on a virtual daily basis. You have to feel sorry for people who are so delusional.
What really is needed is commonsense when it comes to firearms. What purpose is served by an assault rifle other than to kill a person? Is this the type of gun you'd pick for defense from a robbery or home invasion? On the other hand, a number of shootings have involved assault rifles just like the recent one in Newtown, Connecticut did. Stopping purchase of these weapons would have little affect on the rights of law-abiding gun owners.
Of course, we probably won't get it because a few paranoid whacko gun nuts think any regulation of firearms at all is "just the beginning".
Whether gun control is right or wrong, a debate ought to be based on the right reasons. Not on insane nonsense that is commonly used by gun nuts.
Zebra365
11:28 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
When you call people names, don't expect a rational discussion to follow.
Grow up a little.
W. T. Connaughton
11:36 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mr. James, I suggest you ask legal gunowners (actually, former legal gunowners) in Australia and England about "just the beginning." Ask them who has the firearms now, and, more specifically, who doesn't. An assault rifle, by definition, is capable of automatic fire. The last time I checked, none of my evil black rifles have that capability. Nor have any of my legally owned weappons been used in ANY illegal activity. I must admit, though, to a violent past. I wore the uniform of this country and served violence to her enemies in times of war, for which I was decorated, and for which I bear the scars. All tyranny begins with "just the beginning".
Russ
12:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mark............tell that to the rebels in Syria, the people in Greece and Spain. Do you think that these prople ever thought their country would fall apart ? Look at the news videos with police and tear gas. You must live in a dream world. You want to be controlled...........then move to country that condemns means of defending yourself.
Chucck R.
2:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If people think for one moment that taking away guns is the way to go, just look South of our border! I guess the 'unarmed population' there are doing just fine. There Armed Forces seemed to be doing a great job of protecting them. Oh, I forgot, our Safe Borders will keep the catels from moving North!
Ken Schnick
11:15 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
What a pathetic Moron
Brian Voltz
11:23 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The problem is mental illness not gun control. So push for more health care not take away guns.
Ed McGaa
11:24 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"it would be possible, ..... we would be weakened to the point of inviting an invading army! ... I want an AR-15 in every closet of every house in America! " What, where would our Nuclear Weaponry be? We are not about to be conquered..Period. Gross, damn dumb example. Militia Bull Sxxx is also Moot for our era. South Dakotan here. We can have our rifles exposed on gun racks, magazine loaded. No scabbards for our shot guns Fez' Htg. Road Hunt allowed also, But to come up with stupid exaggerated examples isn't my take. Get to the point w realistic suggestions. Break up, restrict Gangs. No Guns in Households where your progeny have 'Squirrel' problems. Make the Principal at least know and have a fire arm. Post it outside the schools. Yeh. Public Hanging for the Nuts- makes sense.
Tim McNeely
11:31 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
How can we have this same old back and worth while innocent American children, college students and movie goers are gunned down like clay pidgeons? Who is speaking up for these MURDER victims? Is arming everyone the correct answer? I don't know what the answer is but I do know something needs to be done. Maybe we need to give every American free pot.
ConserveObserve
11:36 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
.....and a gun.
Voodoo6
11:31 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We have many precious freedoms in this country,the 2nd amendment is one of them
And must never be compromised
Barry Sibole
11:31 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Nieves,
I support your stance on the overreaching federal government, and their grab for our personal freedoms, now from some that post here they love to be told what to buy, what to wear, where they can go, and what to do when they reach thier destination. Gun laws are on the books, still people are killed by guns, theft laws are on the books yet people still steal, drug laws are on the books yet we have a drug problem, more people each year are killed by cars, hammers, baseball bats or knives then guns but we need more laws on the books to regulate guns. Time for people to realize the focus needs to be on crime and criminals NOT those who already abide by the law. Continue the good fight Senator, nevermind the useless sheep, if we lose they can use the free obamaphone to call for assistance, because there will not be anyone left to defend them.
Stu Strickler
11:37 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Thank you Senator. The usual people are on here calling people names, asking why we need this or that, caling semi autos *assault weapons*, and talking trash.
The Second Amendment is still part of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is still part of US Constitution. The Constitution is still the law of this land. This I shall defend.
l grainge
11:38 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"35yrs from now people are literally laughing at this writing!" Sorry Senator, only took me about 3 minutes and then I started to cry in despair because your essay beautifully illustrates that we have people in power in this country that have such inflexible stances on issues (any issue) that our country cannot progress. Politicians need to represent the people. And, while I'm sure that many hold the position you adhere to, I'd like to think that most Americans are open minded enough to start a dialog and come up with ideas to try to help solve the problem not an in-your-face "all my guns are sacred/back off" stance. (No, I am not a left-wing liberal. Instead, I am a sensible person.)
Diane Stepp
12:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
To I grainge: I truely hope that in 35 yrs people are laughing and that our grandchildren aren't in a concentration camp. As a Christian(another bad word?) I do believe that our country is in dire circumstances. There are people who believe just as the Germans did,that we are safe,we will be so much better,as they strip our rights from us. Did "We the People" actually vote our present leader in? I am not a right/left wing person...I am an American,that sees her country in slavery to the Middle East countries and China practically ownes her. Please open your eyes to what's really going on . That's all I ask of you and others!
roger smith
11:40 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
sen. nieves for president ! you got one vote if you ever run .
john loggins
11:52 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
you are right. the government is not for the people anymore as you can tell by the latest cliff fiasco. I'am very sad about the children and the pain that it has caused.. however if mom had souch a concern about her son , why did she not secure the guns better. when the crooks steal guns the innocent and old will pay every time.
Doug
1:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
maybe you will sober up enough in time to make it to the polls
Robert J Whiting
11:44 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
you are so right and a quote from George Washington, A Free People Ought...To Be Armed..."
Jacques E. Smith
11:45 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Ita called a zionist controlled goverment. you people have been over thrown.
The Moogly
11:45 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
America beat the most powerful military in the world, Great Britain, with Guerrilla Warfare. The most powerful military in the world, America, was beat in Vietnam by Guerrilla Warfare. America is being given fits in Afghanistan and Pakistan by Guerrilla Warfare. If America continues on it's current course, It's government will be replaced by it's citizens with Guerrilla Warfare.
Doug
1:31 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I wonder if the US military in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Pakistan had any air cover?
George Ojea
11:46 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Thank you Mr. Nieves! I wish we had more people in our power hungry government who really cared about our country and weren't just interested in ripping off this country. Unfortunately there are too many Americans still asleep that refuse to see the truth. These people must realize that government of the people, for the people and by the people really means... of the elite, for the elite, and by the elite and we are in fact subjects at their service. That is where this country is going and yes we do need to defend ourselves at all costs.
Willie yumm
11:47 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Willie yumm
Australian Gun Law Update? Here's a thought to warm
some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the
real figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in
Australia were forced by a new law, created by liberal
politicians to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia
taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 96 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent
(yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with
firearms are now up 300 percent.
(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a
steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed
drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the
criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how
public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and
expense was expended in 'successfully ridding
Australian society of guns....'
ConserveObserve
12:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Willie, send this to O'Reilly in an email. Fox is the only news op that brings light to the truth.
Gary S Bonds
8:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Wrong. Quit getting your news from Faux News.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/
AMERIKANISCH
10:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This would surprise only a liberal. Everyone else already knows it. It's called "common sense"- an attribute completely lacking in liberal circles.
Of course crime is up because only criminals have guns and no fear.
DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Willie yumm
11:48 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You won't see this on the American
evening news or hear your governor or members of
the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns
in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it's too late! Will you
be one of the sheep to turn yours in? WHY? You will need it.
John
9:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Everyone is missing the point ( guns do not kill PEOPLE KILL)
Grace
11:49 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I agree. We do what the Founding Fathers wanted. A MUSKET IN EVERY HOME! A well regulated militia doesn't mean everybody and their wacko neighbor, friend, coworkers should own a gun. COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS ARE WHAT IS NEEDED. Sen. Nieves, if you want all of the citizenry armed then I suggest you go back to Mexico where your parents came from, they'd love you down there.
Haywood Jablomie
12:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Lord save us from idiots who don't know what the words of the Constitution mean...and so they add their OWN meanings.
In the vernacular of the times, "well regulated" meant "well trained." It clearly did NOT mean that it was subject to government regulation. "Militia" was a group of ordinary citizens who could band together if and when needed.
It may sound seditious, but if you read the writings of the Founders, it's clear that the entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to permit citizens to have the weapons and the skills to resist and/or overthrow the government if that government should become oppressive.
Sorry, liberals, but either you respect and defend ALL of the Constitution, or you respect NONE of it. It was not written for you to pick and choose only the parts you like.
Divad
12:04 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Apparently the senators definition of well regulated and yours is different. That is assuming the senator has even read the full text of the 2nd amendment. Or understood it....
Rick
1:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Can anyone give me one example when a "gun law" or "gun free zone" prevented an unlawful or mentally ill person from shooting anyone? I didn't think so....
Some of the worse gun violence are in states/cities with the toughest "gun laws" on record and most if not all of the mass shootings are done in "gun free zones."
Guns aren't the culprit, they are a tool used by THE CULPRIT. Let's uphold our laws and throw away the key for anyone in possession of a firearm without a license and improve the way we're dealing with the mentally ill.
W.A.R
11:50 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Looks to me that Mr. Neives has better points for the American Citizen to truly agree with, I as an American Citizen who's ancesters fault against Tyranny from England. Would rather own and know how to use, just in case. A weapon such as the AR15.
Mr Caffeine, your point makes no sense at all. History disputes your BS that you call reason. Every Country in our past has had millions die because they thought just like you and gave up the right to defend themselves. Who knows who you are working for Mr Caffeine. You could be working for IRAN, or RUSSIA. I've owned guns for more than 40 years, and have taught my children to use them also. Even if they are only used for hunting and sport, those good ole country boys in WWll showed the world how well they could shot, didn't they. So Mr. Caffeine crawl back where you came from and let the IDIOTS you work for know. Lawabiding Citizens aren't as dumb as yall are
Mark Wilson
12:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You obviously are dumb because you cannot even spell easy words. The word is fought not fault. Law abiding is two words not one. Yall is not a word at all. Get back to school and learn some things then come back and post.
Barry Sibole
1:10 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mark,
You are 100 kinds of special arnt ya, spelling isnt the issue, good thing because i suck at spelling, it does however have everything to do with the ignorance of liberals who believe the only ones with the freedom to choose are them, if you dont want a gun dont buy one, but dont presume to be holier then thou and try to tell me what i can or cant purchase with my own hard earned money.
mike westman
1:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
mark.....it is a blog...not a thesus
David Neckolaishen
11:50 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I just wanted to say "Thank You" Well Said!!
Yosemite Sam
11:58 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Text of the 2nd Amendment
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
So here is a question for the senator.....
How good of a job do you think are we doing at regulating this armed
citizenry ( or militia if you will )
And why couldn't that include limiting the number of assault weapons or limit how many rounds a magazine can hold,if it's shown that we aren't able regulate the citizenry well enough to prevent individuals from committing acts of mass murder?
Teddy Ridener
12:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Teddy Ridener: If we don't fight GUN CONTROL together as We The Peole we will be fighting against each other lose everything! Also, God is the one we must go to for leading us out of this mess!!!!
Ned
12:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Unfortunately children like this person are from the me me me generation which believe that anything they want should be theirs for the asking. I am asking them to use logic and concern for others and reverse this insanity of thinking more guns equals more safety. Unfortunately this is not the wild west where you trusted your neighbors or you fought them. Just as we dont tie up our horses in front of our garage anymore we do not NEED, although we may want, military firepower. I am NOT for no guns I am for being reasonable about what the average untrained citizen is allowed to own.
theirondude
12:08 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
ned,
you are wrong, sir.
Barry Sibole
1:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Ned i have been trained with every one i own, but that doesnt stop the liberal politicians from trying to regulate what i own, your argument holds no merit, sorry.
John Rambo
12:04 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!
EVERY true Patriot is behind you 110%................
the rest are simply being led by the nose believing whatever the tyrant controlled media feeds them and so ARE un-informed! WAKE UP AMERICA!......IF they take our guns.....WE ...become the prey! ...Hunt OR BE HUNTED......what'll it be?
Long LIVE the BILL OF RIGHTS and a WELL ARMED...FREE.... America!
John Rambo
Charles R Fish
12:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We go over the same old question,"Why do you need an "assault rifle"? It is not a question of 'need'. It is a question of 'right'. Do you 'need' a car that goes 120mph when the highest speed limit in the land is 85? (By the way, more people are killed in automobile accidents every year than by guns). Do you 'need' access to alcohol, which is the most dangerous (and perfectly legal) drug in the land?
Do you 'need' to keep your hard-earned money when your government obviously 'needs' it more than you? It's about rights, not privileges, not permission.
I have numerous firearms of various types. I am trained in their use, when to use them, when NOT to use them. And in my 60 years, I have never harmed a single soul with any of them. Indeed I have been an RN for 37 years, doing my best to help the sick and injured. Do I sound like a "Gun Nut"? When the 2nd Amendment goes, the rest will not be far behind. Who said, "Those who turn their guns into plowshares will plow for those who don't"? Charles R Fish, RN, BSN.
Marc Perez
12:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I like you Charles am an RN and CRNA. I worked in many trauma centers over my 30+ year career. People are shot because they do not have a firearm, not because they have one for their own defense. If some one breaks into your house at this very minute can you defend yourself, your family? 10 shot magazine or 30 shot magazine, doesn't make a hill of beans difference what the bad guy is shooting at you with or what you are shooting back with. The bad guy should not have a firearm, that does not save your life when standing in front of him telling him that. A response with a firearm will relate the message in a more miningful way. Carry often, apply only when necessary! Missouri now has over 160,000 CCW permit holders, they stand ready. There are over 500,000 hunters, they stand ready. It's your right, use it if you like, don't use it if you choose, but do not stnad in the way of the law abiding citizens to self defense, makes no sense at all. There are 10s of thousands of firearms laws, use them, elect people who wil stand up for your rights like Senator Nieves. Nn armed society is a polite society, an unatrmed society are slaves, or dead!
Mark Wilson
12:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
They are not trying to get rid of the second amendment. They are only trying to regulate it somewhat. If the government wants to take your guns they will do so regardless of what kind of fight you might be able to produce. They have way way more weapons than you will ever have.
Willie yumm
12:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We have over 100,000 graves in this country of those who believed in the 2nd amendment,( I guess we just discount them??)
theirondude
12:07 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Thank you, Senator. I will support you and I'm not even a resident of your state.
Petr Latoya
12:08 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator, simple questions. How much have the NRA and other pro gun organizations given you "for your campaigns"? What percentage is that of your total campaign funding?
ConserveObserve
12:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A lot, I hope.
lynn dame
12:11 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
why do people think wars in biblical times were fought over religion? they weren't. if you read the bible, wars were fought for land and control, these were done by many kings and rulers who did not obey God. they wanted to do what they wanted, to be like God themselves. make their own rules, but God destroyed them because of it. wars were not fought, lost or won by guns back then either. gun control is needed. if i buy assault weapons, it's only for vanity, not protection. i can protect myself without a weapon that is intent for killing many. i don't have any more or less a chance at saving my life with an assault weapon than with a knife or baseball bat. they all kill if you have that intent and those items will kill me too. sure, i have a better chance shooting someone who is coming at me with a knife, but i don't need an assault weapon to do it. a small handgun works just as well. and lets not even talk about someone breaking into your home and you're trying to get that big gun out and the guy has already stabbed you with a knife or stole your own gun and shot you with it. so, no, i am not against owning guns, only large artillery. what's next? owning a tank?
Charlie Hackney
2:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
And how long will You own any gun once the government takes away Your right to own an assault rifle.Liberals like Bloomberg won't stop until Americans can no longer own a gun of any kind.After Gabby Giffords this government wants to dearm the populace.This law is only the first step.If You trust this Administration You are truly gullible.They want more control of Our lives.The Constitution limits Their power and They are intent on changing that.Once We lose the right to bear arms the rest of Our freedoms will quickly follow.
Mark Wilson
12:13 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Let me start by stating that I am a gun owner that have both protection and hunting guns. Now let me address this Senators concerns. I think someone needs to bring this man back to reality. If our government decided to come after anyones guns who has enough firepower to hold off tanks, jets, bombers, missles, or even the extreme nuclear bombs? Can we be realistic here? They could and would kill us in the pursuit of getting our guns if they really wanted to and anyone with half a brain knows this. Anyone with brains knows this will never happen in this great country of ours. This Senator has lost touch with reality. There is no need to have weapons that hold over ten rounds per clip. It is easy and fast to change clips if you need to. I can change mine in less than two seconds. The kind of mass murder like what happened at the school or at the batman movie is what we need to try and prevent. We all know there is no way to absolutely prevent these kind of tragedies but we have to try. Plain and simple.
Christy Leonard
2:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mark Wilson
There is no need to have weapons that hold over ten rounds per clip. It is easy and fast to change clips if you need to.
how did that whole national guard, law enforcement thing work out for L A during the riots? how about after nearly every national disaster?
large mobs of animals robbing rioting, burning, killing.
do you remember who's stores were not burned and looted? that's right the korean stores and shops.
do you remember why? that's right, they were armed with AR style weapons, and the mobs knew it.
in my town, there are 4 policemen total, for over 1700 people.
they can't protect us all, so i will protect myself.
Charlie Hackney
2:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If You think such a scenario could never happen then You need to watch the documentary about what the ATF and FBI did in the siege on Waco.American Citizens,women and children included were murdered because They were branded as a cult by the government.This really happened in America and yet You say it couldn't happen.I've got a news flash for You liberals.The government can't be trusted.When They begin to take away Our right to own guns then Our very freedom is in danger.
jore
3:35 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Wow, people first of all it is a Constitutional right! I do not think the framers thought that we would have computers etc that trample on individual rights so often but the First Amendment protects it. What next? This society has gotten way over on the bleeding heart side. I have a son and many family ,members that put their liveson the line to protect our rights. Read all the posts and you will see why taking ANY firearm away from an American citizen is wrong, and the comments about the Senators forefathers, really? He is an American. Also Christy you and Stu and several others are 100% correct. I live in New Orleans, it was not the active duty military that followed bad orders it was the NG who are poorly trained and it was not LA NG eaither it was another state, when ours came home things got better. I am poor and live in a ghetto, I am ill and as of now have no choice, however I will defend myself against the parasites and crazies, AND THE CURRENT GOV SCARES ME TO DEATH.
Paul Whitten
12:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Finally a public servant with a logical brain. To ban guns because people use them incorrectly begs the question of why not ban cars because people certainly use them incorrectly.
Gary S Bonds
8:29 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Cars are regulated, aren't they? People have to pass tests to be allowed to drive and cars have to meet standards.
Denise Ranta
12:19 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Wow,nice.
Scott Rush
9:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Driving is a privilege, not a right. Owning a firearm is a right, not a privilege.
Jorjann
12:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator, First I would like to thank you for your post. It is honest and well thought. I am a gun owner and will soon (next month) be getting my concealed carry permit. I have thought about getting it for a long time now and decided that before that right is taken away from me, now is the time. I also posted on FB something I feel very strongly about. I would GLADLY give up my guns, and become a staunch advocate of gun control... AFTER the Secret Service lay down their weapons... if it is necessary for guns to protect the first family, why does anyone think MY life is worth any less?
Mark SuckerBurg
12:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"and will soon (next month) be getting my concealed carry permit" This is why guns need to be banned and FAST! No more dead kids!!!
Barry Sibole
1:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mark, if you havnt noticed yet it is criminals who commit crimes not law abiding citizens with their conceal and carry permit, you want to stop the killing of kids then FIGHT CRIME not regulate law abiding citizens.
wes
12:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
sounds like he is just using the gun issue to get money----the first paragrph says it alll ---the rest is bs
Maureen Braun
12:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Liberals fear guns, (legal or not) in the hands of their fellow Americans...because Liberals typically lack self-control so they expect their own deficits to be found in others. They distrust themselves to maintain control of their temper, so it makes them afraid gun-owners will run amok as Libs do in most aspects of their undisciplined, chaotic lives.
Let me reassure Liberals. It is possible to be angry with a gun in the house and not use it to kill your gay lovers/girlfriends/spouses/children. It is possible to be upstanding. It is possible to love our country and our Constitution. Everyone
isn't on the brink of a break-down, as you
fear you may be.
There are mature, responsible, steady, disciplined men & women who don't wet their pants in fear of running amok with a gun. Dear liberals, you may not be mature enough to have a gun...that's fine. But, depriving others because of your own inadequacies is foolish.
mike westman
12:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
So I guess that the thousands of anger based gun shot deaths in the US are the result of liberal angst? Go on .....tell me another one.
PJ
12:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
It's about DAMN GUNS. What is a gun made for? KILLING. And the damn idiots across this country like the above senator have absolutely NO DAMN COMMON SENSE.
The 2nd amendment excuse............BS. When this was written in the Constitution, what kind of guns were they approving? They had Flint Muskets and Flint guns, that were "one shot." Do the imbeciles of this country really believe our forefathers would OK todays guns! Hell no, they wouldn't. And they wouldn't approved of citizens having more than one................like a dozen or more.
Gun owners in this country are first class morons, who have every excuse in the book to have guns. There's a boogey man at the door, etc.etc.etc. Really, I'm just fed up with their BS.
ConserveObserve
12:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
That ol' boogey man better not try to get in my door......
Jennifer
12:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You have no idea what you're talking about. Murderers, thugs, robbers and terrorists will always have guns and will always do crimes. Banning guns will only prevent honest citizens from having guns to hunt game. be in gun clubs, do turkey shoots at paper targets for frozen turkeys or other frozen meat, and having the ability to protect their homes. I've always had guns, as did many generations of my family before me.
Backgammon
12:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If there was a dislike button, PJ, I would dislike your liberal comment.
Barry Sibole
1:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
PJ,
The seond amendment is for a well regulated militia, comon citizens to take up arms to defend themselves from enemies forien or domestic. the reason the 2nd doenst say, a musket for every home, is because they knew technology is evolving and the weapons of the future would be greater then the weapons they had. its the right of law abiding American citizens to own guns. and the fact that anyone considers the Constitution of the United States bs in any part speaks volumes as to the problems of today.
Ernest Hall
1:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I only have one AR-15. I have shotguns for hunting & trap shooting also. I have pistols for target shooting and protection.
I have owned and used firearms for recreation since I was 10. I am 65 now. I have never shot anyone.
I carried my .22 caliber rifle to high school on the bus. I was president of the rifle Club and we held target matches in the carpenter shop after school. We did not shoot anybody.
I carry a firearm with me to protect my wife and family now because crime has become so rampent in our cities. I have never taken it from the holster. But my wife and grandchildren are safe. I can not be sure a police officer will be near to protect them when, God forbid, the time may come.
My firearms are not available to people who may misuse them. I secure them. I trained my 4 sons and they are training my grand children.
We need to help the mentaly unstable such as the young man in Conn. Not give him access to firearms like his poor mother did.
If you don't want one don't get one. I hope you never find yourself in a situation you need one because the police cant get there.
P.S. Did you notice the lack of denigrating language needed to express my point.
Nana Richards
1:39 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I'm very glad that you PJ won't have a gun. Sounds like you will stroke out first from not being able to control your foul mouth and rabid temper anyway. I as a woman living in the middle of nowhere choose to have a gun with me to protect myself from rabid people like you. I am concerned the direction our country is going, but I am more concerned that with the world blowing up on the verge of war everywhere that we as a nation with this POTUS are now looked at as weak and stupid. I will never give up my guns and as a retired Navy family do not believe the majority of our military would ever raise guns against it's own people. Iran, Pakistan, etc they are hovering waiting for their chance...
Charlie Hackney
2:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I'm certain Our forefathers wouldn't approve of Our current government that tries to bypass the constitution and take away the rights of American Citizens.
Larry Bush
3:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Yes, guns are made for killing. I have guns and have long been a hunter (yes, I kill non-human animals) but have never shot a human being so, PJ, I guess that makes me a moron in your eyes. Were it not for those who have killed for the sake of protecting our nation your pampered, protected (by those who carry guns), delusional lil ass may not be in existence today. I should hope you would take time to do a little research on countries where the citizens have been disarmed--start with Great Britian. You aren't going to like their crime rates but, if that's what you want, move there.
Ronald Rice
7:36 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
PJ, Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house? If so, why? Don't you know the fire department is there to put a fire out if you have one. Are you trained to use the fire extinguisher? Don't you know you can hurt yourself with it? Can't you wait until the fire department gets there? Oh. I forgot. You need to get the fire out before it spreads, and it would take the fire department too long to get there.
Ok, then what about a home invasion by a violent criminal, which is more likely than you having a fire? A violent criminal can disable your phone and kill all of your family before you can hardly get 911 dialed on your cell phone, much less by the time the police arrive. You can choose to not have a gun to protect your family, but do not impose your cowardice on me. I will use a gun as I will use a fire extinguisher, and that is to protect my family and property. I'm sorry you like criminals better than you do your family.
Jennifer
12:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We don't need gun control. Gun control only keeps honest citizens from owning guns. Thugs, murderers, robbers and terrorists will always get their guns illegally and they will do their henious acts. Gun control only prevents citizens from hunting game, gun clubs, turkey shoots and protecting their homes.
Gene Lofton
12:35 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I agree! We cannot and should not rely on the Government for our every want and need. When every second counts, the police are a minute away. The police are like everyone else, understaffed with budget cuts and doing everything they can. Thank you for your commitment to the US Constitution, it is our blue-print to live by.
Tigers
12:35 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
1)How do all of you who are so supporting of more, not less, guns in the population reconcile that thought process to the fact that the muder rates around the world where gun restriction exists are much, much lower in comparison to the US where gun restrictions are not as stringent?
2) what is your answer to the parents of these kids that where murdered? More guns...really? Where do you draw the line, armed movie theaters, college campuses, fast food establishments, concert locations....arm the whole world? How is that an answer considering the point in question #1
3) Do these sort of questions based upon statistical evidence even enter into your thought process or is it just get more guns....Again given the reference cited in Q1, What sort of statistics support having more guns?
ConserveObserve
12:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them" -George Mason
Barry Sibole
1:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
empathy for the tragic loss at Sandy Hook is fine, the loss of the Aurora shootings isnt any less tragic, gun control legislation was tried, 1994-2004 signed into law by bj clinton, "assault" military style weapons and large capacity magazines, 1999 a mass shooting took place in Columbine during the gun ban, the issue today isnt guns, its mental health, crime and criminals, not law abiding citizens and the freedom for us to protect ourself.
Tigers
2:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Really ConserveObserve....thats all you got?!! or Barry Sibole...any statistical support for your position that we need more guns. This weeks issue of Time magazine lays out the gun ratio to murder rates of various countries around the world. Guess which country has the most guns and the highest gun murder rate? So again why is having more guns the answer? Mental health issues exist world wide.
Maureen Braun
12:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
PJ, I'm so sorry the adults are scaring you but you shouldn't be listening in, dear heart.
Gene Lofton
12:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
2600 people died on Texas highways last year. The government doesn't go after Ford or Chevy, they after the person that was under the influence! It's not the object, it's the 3 1/2 pounds of grey matter between some peoples ears.
mike westman
12:50 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Traffic court, speeding fines and highly regulated cars and drivers. That's what happens when give 3 1/2 tons of metal to everyone on demand. Nice analogy....plus there are tons of regs. relative to safety and pollution.
Gary S Bonds
8:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Good idea, Gene! Let's license people to have guns like we do to let them drive!
Bob Stock
12:41 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Brian Nieves is one of the lunatic fringe.
Roberta Shoemaker-Beal
12:50 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This guy IS the lunatic fringe! First he asks for money; crazy like a fox!." Please do what you can, is it $5? Great! Is it $500 or $5,000? Great, I just hope you'll do something! Checks to: Citizens for Nieves, 350 Country Club Bluffs Ln. Washington, Mo. 63090" Is he already "in the employ" of the NRA? If so, he is working for the gun manufactures who realize the days of sellinng assault rifles, to private individuals, with multiple magazines, is OVER in America! Has anyone ever seen a deer, or even a moose, that needed an assauklt rifle to bring it down! An assault rifle in every closet! This guy is scary! Missourians, please get him out of any political office that gives him ANY kind of influence! Please? Our founders never saw an assault rifle! When is an army going to invade us? in the center of the country? in Missouri? Help, this guy is scary! Lives with wealth, maybe he feels guilty that he has amassed so much wealth and power, and must be a militarist to protect his family? Please, stop him NOW!
Lee Williams
12:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A stupid idea by a stupid man. The Founding Fathers wrote of a WELL-REGULATED militia. In the military, soldiers do not have any weapon available on demand. They are REGULATED in their access to weapons. In the U.S., they are not permitted to carry them off the base into civilian areas. There is a reason for this -- human idiocy. Which is what we are seeing now with suggestions like Nieves's. But in truth, it is too late. The precious America we knew is gone, replaced by one in which every jerk on the street might be packing heat.
Ronald Rice
7:45 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Lee, You are the stupid one. Are you so stupid to think that a killer will not violate any and all gun laws? Do you actually think any gun law will affect a violent killer in any way? Making something illegal really worked with drugs, didn't it? The bad guys will ALWAYS be able to get guns, and the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun! Why can't you idiots understand that?
Tony Monroe
12:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Well I'll say this much for the Senator, he is honest. He started his rant by asking for money. That shows me where his heart is anyway. Gun control will always be a big issue in this Country. I was recently sent a you tube short by a friend. I agree with my friend and not with the senator on this. There have to be some rules, some boundaries. Please watch this short video, and if you have access please forward it to the good senator....It's not gory, no one get's shot or anything it's just a display of a type of weapon. Take a minute and watch this
http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZFjGbOyd2ek?rel=0
sjudge
12:47 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Never knpw when a terrorist is going to acquire a nuke. Now if we had one in every house...
mike westman
12:47 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You guys voted this guy in.....live with the ramifications and ridicule.
Tom
12:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Since their was NO Standing Army before the American Revolution and during the war the militia outnumbered the continental army and then the continental army was kept small against Washington's feelings I guess the founding fathers had reasons for armed citizens to form a militia in time of need. And with no police force etc citizens were expected to participate. Since the thought is that what was right then is the same now, lets get rid of our armed forces, state and local police and everyone gets a semi automatic weapon GAME ON........
Maureen Braun
12:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Tigers,
1. Name these countries, so we can understand your point.
2. Please, Tiger, tell us how it even happened in the first place...because that guy KNEW no guns are allowed in schools. Shame on him for ignoring the law. Maybe more signs posted
saying guns aren't allowed would have stopped him! (Really,
Tiger?!!!!) Bad guys kill with all sorts of things. Taking all guns away will not solve murder...I bet you get that. We still will have abortion clinics for murder, for instance.
3. If you don't want a gun...don't have one.
Lee Williams
12:52 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A stupid idea by a stupid man. The Founding Fathers called for a WELL-RUGULATED militia. Even in the military, soldiers are regulated in their access to weapons. They may not carry whatever they wish whenever they wish, and in the U.S., they are not permitted to carry their weapons off the base. There is a reason for this -- human idiocy. That is what Sen. Nieves's is displaying with his suggestion. But the fact is, it is already too late. The precious America we knew is gone, and now when you walk down the street, you have no idea which fool you pass might be packing heat.
Jake Crouse
12:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
( Sigh ... ) So this is where we are now, and who we want to be, in the good old U.S. of A. Enchanting.
Reginald Bronner
12:58 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This is a good place to begin the argument. Do we obey the Constitution regarding an "armed militia" (read duly established military and National Guard here) and thereby restrict weapons in the hands of those NOT part of the "armed militia". Not to mention protecting those who protect our common weal (read police powers here). Do we fall for an opportunistic politician spreading anti-U.S. democracy sentiments while looking for financial handouts? It appears clear that he has already decided that he can defend the country better than the "armed militia"? In other words, "concealed carry" has become is an exciting code word to raise money and stick it to the U.S. government at the same time. There is nothing new here. Every state has guys like this; it is always a downside to democracy that it protects its enemies as well as its friends at the same time. But we have to deal with it. At least hold off sending this character any money until we decide that he is really the new "armed militia" or just another opportunist playing to a decidely historically anti-democratic sentiment.
Ken Sears
1:01 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The law abiding gun owners should have our guns. I am law enforcment and I don't know of any of my fellow brothers, that are for stricter control and regulation. It is few and far between that one of the millions of legal gun owners commit a violent crime with there gun. Most criminals can get a gun if they try and don't obey the laws and regulations anyway. Wake up people, this is so far beyond what you can ever imagine. It isn't about what is now, but what it can become. The Militia in the past weren't run by the government, they were private citizens that volunteered and gave their lives to give you rights. We need to keep our rights and our means to protect ourselves. Just take a look at the Middle East, if the citizens didn't have the means, Syria would still be in complete oppression. It happens over there all of the time, in numerous countries. There is an old saying, " History repeats itself". Do you think that the Romans or the Egyptians ever thought that they would fall?
Nana Richards
1:45 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Thank you Ken for your service every day. I agree, criminals will have their guns and are probably so excited that our govt is asking for gun control. Then they won't have to worry about being shot when they do b&e or murders. Very well stated.
jore
3:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
PJ I live in a very violent city, the criminals are ALL armed very well and most are armed illegally by todays laws. They commit awful crimes, but mostly to take from others what others worked for. Humm sounds like our Goverm=nment doesnt it? Do you think if I turned in my weapons I would be safer? You need educated.
Willie yumm
1:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
It is so calming and comical to watch the Senators words come to life right before our eyes, the aginners want to argue & get excited and insult , call names,attach lables,
quote false facts, it is really amusing, to watch them prove his stance, keep up the good work, Brian we are behind you
Oh!! yes I notice that the aginner accuses you of being on the pay or on the take
of the NRA--- thats the way they do their business- so they assume every one else does-- to them its just a given.
Start back in early 1800s history up to date AUSTRALIA THIS PAST TWO YEARS,
and see what happen to the people that gave up their guns . Poles-Germans Guatamala-Russia-
just to name a few out of dozens
Do your history!! & come back with the facts !!
Norman
1:08 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I have NO problem with the 2nd amendment...therefore I thing every citizen that feels the need to arm himself should have a front loading single shot musket & a gunpowder satchel,settle differences with a duel..As for the NRA suggestion of armed police in every school? ....really? and they're worried about too much Govt turning us a Fascist State....Then I say take your assault weapons and shove em where the sun wont shine ,BUTT where they will do the most good !!!
Ben Johnson
1:08 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Deputize citizens with consealed licenses. Six months firearm training to own ammunition and receive your license when sworn in.... Why is that so hard to do? Secondly, either ban ammunition or enforce the sale of it. I can't find any evidence of anyone being killed by a gun unless you drop a gun off the roof of Trump Tower. Other than that, how does a gun kill you? Why is this country so uneducated?
R hanley
1:13 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The U.S. Government needs to follow the Constitution in allowing its Citizens to bear arms. At the same time my biggest fear is the U.S. Governments being the arms supplier to the world of high tech weapons including chemical and nuclear bombs.
Will our Goverment follow their example of allowing and giving the above to our friends (who one day may be our enemy like Sudom Hussein whom we gave chemical weapons which he used) and saying to others you can't have the same to protect yourself. We allow Israel to have Nuclear weapons but say to their neighbor you cant have it. Why not create a Nuclear free zone so Iran does not need it to protect themselves? We have so many chemical weapons stored that it is a disaster waiting to happen to us. I would like to get an accounting of what is missing or stolen from our nuclear and other high teck weapons. The biggest threat to the U.S. is the U.S.. If you want to save lives we need to change the constition to restrict the ability of the President to wage war or any armed conflict without the vote of the people.
Larry Lazar
1:13 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
It's not stupid, it's a brilliant money making scheme. I wonder how many checks Nieves will get from his gullible followers after this post? I'm sure the NRA will kick in a healthy check as well.
It may be great for Senator Nieves pocketbook perhaps, but not so good for a civilized and reasonable discourse.
Euge
1:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Do you think that he will franchise this business plan.
Hey dumb people the goverment are coming for your guns send me some money.
Ronald Rice
7:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Larry,
How many people with Concealed Carry Permits do you know of that have committed violent crimes with a fire arm? The percentage is miniscule! Much less than members of congress that have committed crimes.
When you get a Concealed Carry Permit, you are registered, finger-printed, and investigated, probably as much as you would be if you applied for a job to be a policeman. I wish everyone would have a CCP. There would be no criminals then, because you couldn't have a CCP and be a criminal.
Ken Sears
1:16 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
To Caffeinenated: Tell that to the terrorists in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen..... there little AM-47's can't stop the good ole USA.... Sir, yes they can. How do you think that our forefathers stopped the most powerful military in the world at the time? I hope that we are never put into a situation that calls for citizens to protect ourselves, but throughout history, we have been charged with that very action. We need to be able to protect ourselves if spending cuts hurt our military position or if we spread ourselves too thin.
Larry Lazar
1:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
lol - so the American Taliban is going to save us from the tyrannical govt?
Ken Sears
2:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
No, it was directed to the comment that an AR-15 will not stop an Abrams Tank. If we cut our budgets, we may be faced with the day that we need to defend ourselves. Look at the Cartels along the borders..... keep living in your perfect fantasy world. Oh wait, if guns are illegal, the illegal aliens and drug cartels will have to obey the laws, too. Lmao
jore
3:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Larry, it is a fact that there are lage training camps in the U.S. at this time, ask any soldier that is based in the Heartland. So your statement although funny may not be.
Joe Sixpack
1:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Forgive me for also adding this thought... The "Left" is going to come after me HARD! I really do need YOUR Help to fight off the vicious campaign they will surely launch against me because I am not kidding when I say "Not one inch will I relent on this issue." Please do what you can, is it $5? Great! Is it $500 or $5,000? Great, I just hope you'll do something! Checks to: Citizens for Nieves, 350 Country Club Bluffs Ln. Washington, Mo. 63090
IOW, I'm already gladhanding contributions for my next election so I'll play the "picked on by them mean old liberals card". Oh, and how much money does a guy living on Country Club way need from his trailer park supporters?
BTW, there are no liberals in his district. He's a state senator.
Euge
1:48 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This is ripped off from the movie The Campaign about dumb politicians. He will be laughing all the way to the bank with the money sent in by the easily fooled
Ken Sears
1:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
*AK-47, damn spell check!!!
Marc Perez
1:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I'll try to make this my last post here on this subject. If you poke holes in the second amendment by limiting freedoms of this "right" which one will you allow to fall next? Should peopl eof a certain race or religion not be entitled to vote, lose their religuos freedon, speak in public... Thi sis why we have constittional rights. Rights and liberties for al people. Remember from the start women, "negros" (as it was) were not allowed to vote. Changes should enhance freedom and liberties for free, honest people and those who have not fallen prey to crime, mental illness, drug abouse.... And these last laws exist, they are not well enforced. Fix the problem for the violators. Motor vehicle accidents kill hunreds on the roads in Missouri, yet people drive. These dangerous vehicles are a necessity for freedom, liberty and to enhance our lives. As are firearms to protect all th eliberties that a bad person would take from us including our posessions and our very lives. The constitution exists for our rights, freedom and liberties, it shall not be infringed less we lose those rights that so many served, fought and died for. This is America, live with it.
Doug
1:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
AR-15's are needed in Missouri to protect your meth labs from law enforcement officials.
Ken Sears
1:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
And their
Jeff Dorr
1:19 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I believe we should keep our arms and provide all the gun training and background checks needed. I DON"T need a guy begging for money to help me out.
fats
1:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
the two most armed countries, as far as citizenry, have one of the lowest death rates due to guns... Israel and Switzerland. or so ive read.
Euge
1:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You cannot believe what you read. Switzerland does not have an army so every male is a member of the national militia. So every male citizen has a one gun their home. They are trained, registered and monitored. But there has been discussions to stop this particulary following the recent killing. Israel does not allow guns in homes. The military, police and security people are armed to protect against terror attacks. They recently stopped solidiers from taking home their weapons to reduce the number of suicides and domestic killing using guns.
DanStlMo
1:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
It is called the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs. If you don't like it amend the Constitution, it's been done Twenty seven times. If it is a good idea you will have no problem. The polls and public opinion are against further restrictions on the Second Amendment, look it up.
Nicholas Ifkovits
1:35 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Even if all the gun laws currently proposed were passed tomorrow, the intended effect of reducing or eliminating suicide attacks wouldn’t kick-in for at least another ten or twenty years, if then. Under the circumstances maybe Conceal-and-Carry laws might be a good idea. The sane far outnumber the loonies. A civilian armed with a 9mm semi-automatic and a 13-round clip with one in his pocket for back-up, and his heart into stopping a suicidal madman, is likely to. Maybe after only 1 dead instead of 27. Will there be mishaps and stupid mistakes that cause unintended damage and perhaps even an occasional death? Of course. But that is preferable to 27 dead. Every time.
Furthermore, once defeating these Suicide Attackers becomes routine, a mere one time one-liner blip on the nightly news, no sensationalism, no infamy, no glory, even a madman loses his primary motive, and the suicide attack as a means to infamy will, over time, die out.
More ideas: http://nicholasifkovits.wordpress.com
Annie Brown
1:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This nation is very close to tyranny now so disarming the honest citizen is necessary for the Democrats and their minions to complete the job. We the people have allowed the government to interfere with every aspect of our lives from light sockets to toilets to automobiles. They have already destroyed the family and our public institutions and are lying about the history of the United States. Now they are working at dismantling free speech and freedom of religion. They have even begun carping about our diets because if they can force every citizen to become a vegan, we will lose our size superiority. There should be no compromise of any kind with regard to the 2nd Amendment because the white men who drafted our founding documents were much smarter and much wiser than any of our current government officials- they were also more honest and desired the best for the new nation. This can no longer be said of our politicians. One method of curbing gun violence is to revere life, to have homes with mothers and fathers who teach children right from wrong, and to treat firearms like the instruments that they are: tools, not glorified gang symbols. The American people need to pull their heads out and realize what this movement is really about- the enslavement of the citizenry.
Euge
1:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Why are right wingers against the governemnt? That is plain un-american, don't they love their country?
jore
3:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Euge the trampling of our Consttution is UNAMERICAN, and this administration has done nothing but trample it.
Tony
1:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
When the economy collapes, and it will, will you really trust our government to not turn on us? We are already moving toward a one world gov. which would take away our freedoms as Americans. What will the liberals protect themselves with then? I guess they will use what they are using now, smart ass sarcasm! I hope it never happens but if it does will it be a bad idea to be prepared. If history repeats its self I for one want to be ready! Not paranoia, but common sense!!
Tony
1:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Also if our economy collapses it will weaken our military possibly opening the door for foreign invasion. Another reason to arm the people!
Charles C Smack
1:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Break time! We are all hooked on things that go boom! Django is one of the most popular movies today,and it's an R rated Tarantino product full of words we are encouraged not to use, along with graphic violence. It's a story about "control", and how many ways that issue is expressed.
Peter Giuliano
1:39 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
He's not making a point, he's just puffing his chest and trying to act machismo. What does he want daily gun battles in the street -- Yhe second amendment is just a small part of the Constitution,Senator Nieves ought to read the rest of the constitiuion. Finally, what makes Nieves think that liberals, the people on the left, don't have a point. Nieves just yells louder, uses scare tactics and doesn't reason, he just defends the status quo. This amn is a US Senator --- God help us.
Barry Sibole
2:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Daily gun battles in the streets, turn on the news, not a day goes by in st louis where there is a shooting or a death, address the CRIME and CRIMINAL which is the issue, they dont follow the laws as it is, making more laws the criminals dont follow is just stupid.
DT
1:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Today the 2nd Amendment does not give citizens the absolute right to bear arms. You cannot carry a suitcase nuclear bomb to stand your ground. You cannot buy a tank or a cannon. There is already a line drawn. We are arguing above where that line should be. When the amendment was written people had muskets. You cannot kill twenty people with a musket. The same day all those innocent children were killed here a man in China attacked 20 children with a knife. None died. I want to live in a civilized country so lets have a serious discussion.
Barry Sibole
2:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
gun regulations was in place 1994-2004, Columbine 1999 mass shooting at a school during a "gun ban", tell me how regulating law abiding citizens will stop crime
J Hoss
2:19 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
No one can have a nuclear bomb. It is against the law for anyone to use nuclear or chemical weapons. Not even the government can use them. The line has been drawn with fully automatic weapons. 1939 i believe. I do not know one ar-15 that has ever killed anyone. I am sure if you had one it would be a safe ar-15 and never kill anyone. Its the person not the gun. This is a civilized country that just like every country in the world there are some crazy people.
Gene Stokes
1:41 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
correct me if I am wrong many of the greatest tragedies in the world were created when government took it upon themseloves to disarm the citizens does anyone remember Hitler? not that I am comparing I am just saying. if the citizens are not allowed the means to defend themselves and government is put in the hands of people and parties that have their own agendas, we become non essential kind of like the president is actually elected on the vote of appointees and not the result of the popular vote...AMERICA the land of the home and free? really? some states control what is available for our health? and when did it stop being a requirement to learn the language and laws and follow the laws to get legal citizenship? not just come in and bend the rules and draw benefits whether you are legal or not? yeah I feel REAL free
Doug
1:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Brian Nieves
Mo. Senator, Husband, Dad, Small Business Owner, Redneck, Not Very Bright, Played High School Football Without a Helmet, Thinks Rambo and Red Dawn are Documentaries
Euge
1:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I was thinking that he might be doing a 'Borat' comedy routine. His writing is so intentionally bad it must be a spoof
Tony
2:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Doug,more smart ass liberal sarcsm! Is that all you got?
M Richey
1:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Nieves is just another gun nut pandering extremist. You can be a member of an "organized militia" it's called the National Guard. Join, they will give you a fully auto M-16 and you'll quickly get it our of your system.
The semi-auto AR-15 with large magazine is nothing but a human hunting and killing weapon and has no place in the hands of a non-professional (other than military or law enforcement). Outlaw them.
His point about an armed citizenry is pointless today, your best weapon against your government is a big stack of $s. Money is the weapon of power and guy is wanting yours.
Resign and join the military Rambo and give the rest of us a break.
J Hoss
2:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The national guard is not a militia. It is a brach of the us military. The united states have militias all around the country and they are not illegal. You can join one anytime. But The ar-15 is a hunting and a sport rifle. Not a human hunting weapon. I am sure if you called bushmaster they would disagree with that statement. Just wondering why the military and the police are the only ones who need one? The ar-15 in my closet has never killed anyone. I believe the issue is about not letting us have a matierial thing that is less dangerous than a baseball bat. Thats an fbi fact by the way.
M Richey
4:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
J Hoss you are wrong, the National Guard is a State Militia. Go to the National Guard site and check About the Guard. The Ar-15 is not a sporting gun and if you are any kind of sportsman you do not need more than one shot, a kill shot, to bring down game.
The M-16 with large magazine is typically used in semi-auto so the Ar-15 is the same weapon. It is designed and issued to go up against a professional with like firepower in a kill or be killed scenario, not unarmed adult civilians and little kids.
I had military training with it, We learned it's reason for design and human killing capabilities. It's not something to be put on the street for everyone who can afford or steal one. All Assault rifles are for Assault.
james j campbell
1:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Give me the definition of law abiding citizen- if you shoot your wife or girlfriend when you find out that they are seeing someone else, or your son looses his house keys and climes through a window and gets shot because you thought he was breaking into your house, a car accident leads to a fist fight ,one person goes home one person goes to the morgue becase one of them had a gun, I don't trust your law abiding citizen. A gun gives a small minded person a larger than life bravado that threatened all of society. so keep your guns, i'll keep an eye out for you.
Ken Sears
1:58 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If they pass a background check and have not committed a crime to prevent them from owning a gun... and by the way, Lanza never had an assualt rifle in the schoool, nor did he even have one in his car. He had handguns and a pump type of long gun, which was left in the trunk. This can be seen plain as day by anyone who KNOWS anything about guns. And if he had a musket, would you be the unarmed person to take a chance and run at a man with a gun? I THINK NOT!!!! Especially when you obviously have no clue about firearms.
J Hoss
2:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This one is easy. Law abiding means not breaking the law. Like the millions of gun owners out there. When they break the law they are called criminals.
Doug
4:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Yes, a gun does give a small minded person a larger than life bravado that can threaten society.
J Hoss
1:45 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
What i love most about this country is we can have this discussion because some ill-armed and outnumbered people fought against the greatest military force in the world. And we won. I think this country need fanatics on both sides. That is why we have our government set up like it is. We have extremes on both sides that are supposed to come in the middle for the better of the people. I believe we should have whatever guns we want if we pass a background check. I think it should be alot tougher of a background check. The ability to defend myself should be on my terms not someone elses. If you dont like guns dont buy one. If you want to be safe its obvious as long as you leave a school,theater, or your house when a crazy person comes in you should be fine. Its the person not the gun. The government starts with regulation, then comes registration, then comes banning. Australia,Germany,Russia......... Its about the right to own just like its the right to say what u want. I mean i think they should ban freedom of speech with the guns then we wont have this conversation.
Tom Thompson
1:47 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The Senator is right on every point. Gun control is about control, not guns. I believe about 9 out of 10 people who are for gun control have never shot a gun or knows very much about them. How many have used a gun to prevent a crime or protect themselves? If just a few teachers had a gun in their pockets at the school the nutcase shooter could have been taken out before he killed anyone or at least before he killed too many. After all the debate about armed guards or armed teachers in schools it boils down to one thing, what do the liberals propose to stop this from happening again? Do they really think limiting magazines to 10 rounds will help? How many years would it take to remove the hundreds of millions that are already out there. Have they ever seen a good shooter make a fast magazine change? It can be done in less than a second by a good shooter. Also armed guards would be the first target if a bad guy went in a school to kill people. Call the police? They'll be there in 10 min. and set up a perimeter. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. For those of you who are against guns please post a sign by your door that your home is a gun free zone. Live by what you practice or are you too afraid criminals will see that sign as an open invitation to come on in? Ban guns and you think the black market on drugs is bad, just wait until you see the criminal network that springs up to sell guns in this country. It would make the drug cartels seem like romper room.
Rudolph Quintanilla Jr.R
1:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Your claim to save the 1st amendment we need to use guns to protect it from a tyrannical government as history demands. That doesn't fly or did you forget history. One of your great Republican leaders claimed this feat. Can you guest who? Have you forgotten the father of your conservative cause? Yes President Reagan. He brought down Communism in the Soviet Union without a shot fired, turning it into a democratic country. It was in all the newspapers, even in the U.S.S.R. OK it was really what you're asking that brought it down, money. Their economy faltered, kind of like ours is doing thanks to Republican strategy. More news China is headed that way too. The pen, the truth, has started the ball rolling against bad governments until action changes the status quo.
The gun issue that you claim, the U.S. government would prohibit gun ownership can only happen by constitutional amendment or something like the terrorist act passed by congress. Now why would congress allow such rash actions if facts were not presented that could not be refuted. Well another historical lesson, President George W. Bush convinced congress that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that have yet been found.
You say liberals will change gun laws against owning guns. Not true they want to limit rapid firing weapons, even the police are for that. Calling that anti American is wrong. Americans don't need a shoot out in schools, movies theaters, or churches
J Hoss
2:14 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Almost every weapon is rapid firing. The ar-15 is exactly the same as a .22 caliber squirrel gun. They shoot as fast as you pull the trigger. A shootout is better than a massacre. When Gifford was shot there was people in the crowd with guns and there was no shootout because a responsible gun owner would not do something that would purposely hurt some one else. When asked why they did not shoot back they all responded they didnt have a clear shot.
DanStlMo
2:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Who said this? "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." There are many Democrats who want to take ALL guns.
Ken Sears
2:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We, law enforcement, are for getting illegal guns off the streets, not limiting our citizen's rights. There ARE illegal AUTOMATIC RIFLES out there. You aren't going to get them off the street by more gun control. I am in NY, we have strict gun laws, but for some reason, the bad guys just don't pay any attention to them.
J Hoss
2:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You only NEED a gun when u REALLY NEED a gun. I shoot competition with an ar-15,revolver, and a semi automatic pistol. I love it. It is one of the most fun things i can do. I used to teach self defense. I loved it when we did free self defense classes for women. Just a background. I have been shot at and did not have my gun because it was illegal and i do not break the law. Luckily he was a bad shot. He was never caught or apprehended. I got lucky. He did kill two people less than 2 years later in a home invasion where he killed a single mother and her child. I got lucky but she did not. If i or her would have had a gun i would like to think the outcome would have been different. I ask if you hate guns go to a local gun range and shoot something. It might be something you enjoy and maybe get a different perspective. Every gun owner i know is very responsible and cares greatly about this issue. I believe that i would rather have a person try to carry a large ar-15 in than hide 4 10 round pistols in their pants. If i see someone carrying an ar-15 towards a school you better believe i would have took action. Maybe they should make all rifles larger so they couldnt be hidden. That would solve a problem. gunfacts.info and fbi.gov. two of the best places to get information. Even the fbi shows rifles are not that dangerous
Ken Sears
2:14 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hoss, you are so right on point. The people who are against arms are the people who have never been exposed to them. It is like saying that people dont need cars because there is public transportation. As you said, people that own guns legally know that there is great responsibility that comes with them.
Sharon V Beach
2:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
That's BS, and you know, if you want to fund this crap, use your own ill gotten money.
Oh, BTW, are you a Christian?
Ward McCreery
2:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Notice how he uses fear to get your attention before he asks for money! Armed insurrection has always come from the conservatives. They see any change an attack.
Lloyd Dalton
2:26 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I am in complete agreement with you Brian. I can not believe the conservative voices since the shootings in Newtown. And not one gun law proposed by that the likes of Diane Feinstein or others would have stopped the slaughter of the victims there. The shooter was mentally ill and had been for some time, as is the case in many of the mass shootings. Instead of focusing on changing some of the laws that could deal with that the left jumps right to gun restrictions. No sense at all. But it really is about people control; not gun comntrol. Let them make us all potential victims. I think not. And when the gun control hype cools down I would warn our elected officials to think hard before buying into the left agenda. I will actively work against any politico come election time that bought their line of trash. I will also support like thinking candidates with my time and pocket book.
Lets take measures to help prevent mass shootings by banning gun free zones also known as victim zones. Let's work on health laws and others that would permit quicker action when a danger is identified. And let's stop the callings to give up hard won freedoms for the fallicy of a little more security.
beachtyper
3:39 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
who's going to pay for all this healthcare/obamacare?
YOSEMITE SAM
2:27 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
when pearl harbor was attacked; those dopey japs; turned and fled;
after the war when asked; why not invade; their answer was americans own guns;
or a "citizens malitia" if you please;
all you gun control fools must realize this;
the problem is not the guns;
its this country not addressing mental illness
it is a revolving door; pump the poor soul with drugs; find the right ones then release them back into society
as "cured"
as long as they take their meds.................
beachtyper
3:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
and your solution is....
Kitzer
7:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Dang -- What the h*ll happened to you??? Too much brainwashing???
Are YOU finally on meds??? Or don't you really think you need them???
You are the one that is FOOLING yourself --- FOOL!!!
Your 'daddy' never should have messed with your 'mommy'!!!
I'm sure you have more than a few 'toys that go BANG BANG'!!
I suppose you're willing to shoot me because I insulted 'Yo Daddie'!!
Lloyd Dalton
2:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Thanks for the opportunity to vent on this issue.
LD
Lydia
2:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
God, what an ass. First, you start off your stupid diatribe with "these are not liberals, these are intelligent people"...insult number one.In your stupid mind, all liberals are not intelligent. Second, you can believe that your idea that our forefathers would have approved of these new assault weapons in the hands of ordinary citizens is ridiculous.Third, after you make your point, you beg for money.You're so fake and obvious and just plain pathetic.
Barry Sibole
2:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
liberals are a special kind of stupid, the forefathers didnt have any specific weapon in mind when they wrote the 2nd amendment, they had freedom and the right to defend oneself. semi-automatic weapons are not "assault" weapons fully automatic or those that have a full automatic ability are "assault" weapons, semi-automatics are what civilians can own. getting the terms right would make the argument a little more valid.
Josh Washington
2:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I don't see my previous comment directed at Brian Nieves
Jack Failes
2:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Thank you, Senator. Just a thought. Both the United Nations and China want the USA citizens gun free!! Give up the right to bear arms suggest the possibility of have to learn a new language in this great country.
Neuwirth decendent
2:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
My own (caucasian) decendents were run off a farm they owned in the United States by the Ku Klux Klan. We had a Germanic last name, and were Chrisitian. The Klan in Georgia assumed the family was Jewish because of the last name, forced them out of town at gunpoint, and threatened to rape and murder them if they tried to come back. Would the Klan still exist if true Christians would have been armed and have stood against them?
jore
3:56 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The KKK also killed Catholics. If armed the people attacked by them would of stood more of a chance, also doubt if those cowards would of even bothered them. People who kill for no reason but their own agenda usually attack "soft targets".
gail lightfoot
2:48 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
THe Constitution defines the gov't, its divisions and powers. It actually limits the gov't to the listed [enumerated] powers. The Rights of the Citizens are listed in the Bill of Rights [1st Ten Admendments] to the Constitution. Both were discussed and ratified in the same time period. The states only ratified the Constitution when assured the Bill of Rights would be submitted to them for radification. Try not to confuse the two parts of our Constitution. The Bill of Rights is no less powerful as the Constitution itself. Thank you, Sen. Nieves for speaking up so forcefully!
Allen Engebretsen
2:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A strictly constitutional definition of the Second Amendment not only grants us the right to "keep and bare arms," but also requires "an armed citizenry" in the country. It's the basis of our freedom, a responsibility to keep the government in check. While I agree the government has the right to regulate gun ownership, the Bill of Rights also establishes a "rule of law" securing our right to own weapons in order to defend ourselves against all threats, foreign and domestic.
Alex Daniels
2:53 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Hey everybody, this country was formed from revolution and will remain so....so to all you people who want to propagate the idea of disarming the US citizenry, go find yourself another country that best suits that desire for you. But in the meantime, and in the words of the great Thomas Jefferson, "go f yourselves"...
jore
4:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I love my country, I would die for it. I see an awful trend of Gov take over happening, people please read history, the downfall of every great civilization has followed the path we are on, it is not too late. I own guns, so does all my family, we know the "bad guys" have them and always will why is that hrad for some people to grasp? O they can afford to live in rich safer neighborhoods and some even have bodygaurds. Well our lives are as important as yours.
jore
4:01 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
oh I love that quote
Rhesa
3:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This is a brilliant Senator. He recognizes the passion people feel about the freedom to own weapons and uses it as an opportunity to raise money. We've lost our minds in this country. There are responsible ways to own all weapons. The issue isn't "gun control." The issue is the responsible ownership of weapons that make it possible to kill many people in a matter of minutes. If Ms. Lanza had understood this, she would would have made 100% certain that her son--who struggled with mental health issues for years--had zero access to her semi-automatic weapons, which made it easy for Adam Lanza to murder 20 children and 6 adults in a matter of 10 minutes. Keep in mind that he pumped 11 rounds into ONE CHILD. A total of 26 children and adults died in 10 minutes when a mentally ill young man stole weapons that were stored in his home. THAT is the issue. Warping this to be about "gun control" is ridiculous. Congratulations, Senator. You are an excellent manipulator.
Phil Jefferson
3:16 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The founding fathers could not have forseen (did not forsee) the future of war and weapons. The British army fought with muskets/rifles, which the colonists had. The original intent was for the citizens to continue to have equivalent weaponry. I own only a 12 ga pump police riot gun....hunting rifles and shotguns are not now firepower equivalent to the government's ability (or power lust). I don't own one but "assault" weapons should be owned by every citizen. The government should fear the citizenry as they (the government) go about their days.
Efete liberals and foreign born residents of this country who disagree do not deserve to live here any longer.
robert redford
3:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Well now, just what are Americans supposed to do? The top TV and Movie attractions are all about guns and killing. The video games are all about killing.
There is no more Lone Ranger who just shots the guns out of the hands of the bad guys. There are killers on the loose.
Our children are raised to accept the Culture of Death. It is fashionable.
Mike Downer
3:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mike Downer
Annie Brown, you are right. It's too bad that the left will not see the light. They only listen to the left media. Without guns, we would still be speaking with a British accent and sending our taxes to London. History tells it all. Those who chose to think otherwise are not thinking. Where right to carry permits have been voted in, crime has gone down. Only makes sense. Criminals will never comply with the laws and we must be armed to protect ourselves. Recently in Texas, a man entered a business and shot his ex girlfriend. Everyone else exited to a theatre next door. When the gunman chased after them to start shooting them, an off duty deputy put him down. When you get a consealed carry permit, you have to go through training. This training tells you what you can do and what you cannot do. It allows you to protect yourself and others in dire circumstances. Without the 2nd amendment, the other amendments mean nothing.
mike westman
4:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
But an awesome machine gun? When was the last time a person had to defend his domicile with a 50 shot capability.?
beachtyper
3:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The 'Senator' is talking about a power hungry government and the only thing he can do about it is to arm every citizen?
This guy IS the government.
If he doesn't like control he should quit his regular working hours, quit his Church, quit his city, state, country and quit his community/culture.
Backgammon
3:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
For you Lilly Liberals who do not think the Government is interested in your guns:
North Carolina Police Lieutenant Warns Of Plans For Martial ...
http://www.infowars.com/north-carolina-police-lieutenant-warns-of-plans-for-martia...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjdyB8Xyihw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISATXfAUxjc
Doris
3:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
But how do you feel on womens rights.
Backgammon
4:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Since I am a woman, I don't believe in abortion but believe you have a right to one.
I believe in birth control but think you should pay for your own.
I believe in God but realize many don't,
I don't believe in war, but our government certainly does and keeps us in fear.
I do not believe our Government has the best interest of the citizens at heart.
I believe in Guns, I have guns and if you don't like them...Don't buy one.
dennis smith
3:47 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Of course the senator is right. Inner city families will need to be even more heavily armed as they live in a far more dangerous enviorment than the senator and his constituents. And what of gang members who face threats not only from rival gangs but from the police goons of the tyrannical government. And children who have to attend dangerous public schools. Maybe the solution is to give assault rifles to everyone. That way we will be truely safe.
Robert S
3:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Logic and Common Sense have left the building.
The lunatics and imbeciles want to take charge.
Lets hope November , 2014 can turn the tide.
Bob
4:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This country has remained "free' for over 200 years because with all the dangers associated with guns Americans have embraced the Second Amendment and the right of citizens to be nearly as well armed as the government the citizens set up to run this country. People with power and control always seek more until nthey have it all even if it by force. Just as the federal government is trying to do today. As parents we as a group have failed to teach our children how to handle guns and use them. Like everything else we have abandoned raising our kids prefering to let the government raise our kids by laws. Have we outlawed cars that kill far more people per year nationally than guns do? Have we forced manufacturers to stop producing cars that can exceed the maximum speed limit? the fastest national speed limit is 65 but we have cars routinely sold that can do 120 plus. Excessive speed if often cited as a cause. but no congressperson is suggesting a cap on a car's speed capability. 30,000 plus people can die on highway due to dangerous cars including many children but we will out law guns that killed 26 kids in a year. I would suggest stupidity might be ruling America. Cars do nothing to protect our rights but a gun will and once again which one kills more people each year? Go figure.
Craig Lawrence
4:04 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I sure like the way this man thinks.
RICH GEREG
4:04 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT WISH TO OWN A FIREARM; FEEL FREE. HOWEVER, DON'T THINK FOR ONE MOMENT THAT YOUR OPINION ENTITLES YOU TO FORCE YOUR OPINION ON THOSE OF US WHO HAVEN'T LOST THEIR MINDS. PERHAPS IF YOU PUT ENOUGH LAWS & LEGISLATION ON PAPER AND STACK IT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU CAN STOP A BULLET. THEN AGAIN SUPERMAN WAS BULLET-PROOF TOO. BUT WAIT A MINUTE, SUPERMAN IS A FANTASY AND SO IS THINKING THAT MORE LEGISLATION AND LAWS WILL KEEP YOU SAFE! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE OR IN YOU LIBER'S CASE, THE MANURE! WHAT WILL MAKE ALL OF US SAFER, IS BEING AWARE OF THOSE WHO ARE AROUND US. GETTING TO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS, FAMILY, CO-WORKERS AND OTHERS AND TAKING THE TIME TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THEIR LIVES, JUST MIGHT PREVENT ANOTHER CATASTROPHE FROM TAKING PLACE. WE HAVE LOST THE ART OF LISTENING, CARING AND INVESTING IN OTHER PEOPLES LIVES; WE'RE JUST TOO BUSY TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND COMMITTED TO SAFETY.
Gary S Bonds
8:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Maybe we could get back the art of listenng a little if you would STOP SHOUTING?
Doug
4:08 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
So I need an AR-15 in my closet in case the US dollar drops in value. Brian, not only are you idiot, but you are a dangerous idiot. (However, there are plenty of other dangerous idiots out there who will now help fill your campaign coffers.)
WILLIS H. FOWKES II
4:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
WILLIS H. FOWKES II
THERE IS TOO MUCH NAME CALLING ON BOTH SIDES, GROW UP, AND COMPLAINING ABOUT SPELLING.
1 Guns are a tool made to do one thing, and that is kill. T here were first made to hund food, then they were used in war. but a gun is still only a tool.
2 There are many other tools that kill even though they are not made to kill.
Most are no yelling to get these out of circulation. I.E. cars, airplanes ect.
3 All tools if put down and not touched by a HUMAN will sit there and coorode, not killing anything.
What any tool needs to kill is a HUMAN HAND to pick it up and use it.
4 Limiting a legal person form getting tools will not work. Just look at what happened when LIQUOR was made illegal. The manfacture and sale just went under ground, and the goverment could not stop, control or REGULATE it. So it was made legal, but only after the government spent billions trying to enforce it and could not.
5 I think we need better regulations that include the notification of the induvidal, if they are classed as INSANE, SUSIDAL, or a could CAUSE HARM.
This might and should be very hard prove and list on some one's record.
6 But taking my RIGHT to legal use right or ownership of any gun / tool can not be permitted.
It would not stop at just some, it would eventually be everything and continue with the individual's other FREEDOMS.
WILLIS
Jim Harron
4:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"Guns don't kill, people do." And they can kill with a rock or a club. But with a rock or a club it's unlikely a person would enter a school and slaughter twenty six year old kids!
I'm an old Marine and doubt these gun nuts constitute a 'well armed militia'.
mike westman
4:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
kinda scary is it not? Those who really should not have access to all that firepower are the ones who seemingly want it the most.
Franklin Leon Johnson
7:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
For sure you are an old marine. which I doubt, too dumb
Treckoj
4:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A Senator with common sense? Amazing!!!!
A. Canton
4:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
In response to "Kris", the people ARE the well regulated militia. The 2nd amendment is so crutial because the framers added it to insure that the PEOPLE have recourse against a corrupt, repressive government. The type & direction that Chairman ObaMao is leading the liberal sheep.
Not only the right, but the military, intel community, & law enforcement despise the man. Why do you think he did everything in his power to cut-off military absentee ballots? They think he's nothing but a joke. I personally cringe when he manages a salute when exiting Air Force & Marine 1. Meanwhile his wife has taken Air Force 2, costing the tax payers 100's of thousands of dollars. The man is an egotistical maniac who amuses himself by wiping his socialist rear with that sacred document...The Constitution.
james j campbell
4:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A. Canton- you need some serious psychogical help, The new health care law ( obama care) could help you.
beachtyper
6:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
a nasty person with lots of hate ---
jore
10:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A Canton, I agree
Jim
4:29 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
What if the Syrian citizenry were armed. Would their own government have slaughtered 46,000 of them? As of now they are defenseless....
Jim
4:29 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Then again, who gives a crap about 46,000 Syrians?
Dan Jacobson
4:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You have my full support. The state I currently live in is abbreviated MD, not MO, and I live in the suburbs outside Washington, D.C. The area I live in has very strict gun control laws. If they really worked, I would tell you so. Instead, we have a really high crime rate, including home invasions and murders. A number of years ago, the DCPD was discovered selling guns from their property room out on the street. They made a big show of terminating some rookies, but no one seemed to ask how the higher authorities let it happen. Real gun control should target the criminals, instead of law-abiding citizens. Government corruption should be vigorously cleansed from the system. Look at places, like New York and Chicago. According to their gun control laws, they should be crime free zones. Instead, they have some of the nation's highest murder rates. Gun control laws do nothing to stop back markets. There have been laws proposed to amplify penalties for uses of guns in crimes. What happened to them?
frank confessore
4:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Doe's anyone remember Pearl Harbor where a couple of thousand of our sailors were ambushed and murdered?Truth be told/what the Japenese Imperial navy really wanted to do was have a massive invasion of the U.S.A. instead. The idea was quickly shot down when there highest ranking officer said:( QUOTE:)" WE CAN NOT INVADE MAINLAND U.S. BECAUSE BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS THERE IS A RIFLE" (UNQUOTE) Dissarm the people and we are in trouble.
mike westman
4:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
When I was a 20 something kid.....I was a pure libertarian and wanted to have no govt. intrusion, freedom to do and say as I pleased....the ability to buy and sell anything (anything) under the sun and to do anything I wanted.....as long as I did not hurt another soul. As I grew up I realized that this was a utopian concept and that the only thing that mattered was to make myself and my environment better for myself and all around me. The modern selfishness and me firsters of the second amendment crown make me wince.....they are giving freedom a really really bad name. There is something that goes with freedom and that is coherent responsibilty....something that is severely lacking in the arguments and actions of the NRA types.
Backgammon
4:48 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
In 2009 there were 310 million guns in the US. In December of 2012, 2.5 million guns were purchased. That tells me people are not all that comfortable with police protection and faith in their government.
Ray Lengvarsky
4:53 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The military also usesb bolt action rifles with telescpic sights, how long before the meduia and politicians claim that there is no valid reason for a private citizen to own a "sniper rifle"? The mlitary also uses pump action 12 guage shotguns, in an ealier war they were nicknamed "trench brooms" as they were admired for their ability to kill large numbers of people asv quickly as possible, and were so despised by our enemy that an American soldier captured witrh one was summarily executed on the spot. How long before the media and politicians claim no civilian needs a shotgun as well? A well known national magazine in an article about a high capacity rifle closed with the admonition, that a resolute man, armed with one of these "instruments of death and destruction", simply "could not be taken". This article appered in the early 1860's, and was written about the lever action Henry rifle, the quintisential "cowboy rifle" How long before the politician's and media demand these as well? Divide and conquer, the anti-gunner's strategy.
David
4:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The time of our founding fathers people respected each other more than they do now. They were willing to lend aid when needed without any thought to what they may recieve in the end. This was just as much the truth even with owning guns. Back then they were used for protection and hunting. These two things are still true today, but have been mostly forgotten. Guns are no longer respected and feared as they once were.
Ray Lengvarsky
5:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
And before someone tries attacking my intelligence due to some spelling errors in the previous comment, most of them are due to arthritis in my hands that causes me to sometimes strike two keys at the same time.
Backgammon
5:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
No worries Ray: This morning there were 9 post on this site. Over 300 people are talking today about Gun Rights as opposed to Gun Laws. That is a good thing for our Country, no matter how you spell it.
jore
11:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Ray I have one hand and arthritis, I know the feeling! Just had my remaining wrist fused so my grip would be strong evough to shoot again.
Jacques E. Smith
5:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If soldiers wont follow illegal orders against citizens! then kent sate was legal orders?
waco was legal orders, ruby ridge was legal orders? you got to be kidding sarg. most of todays 2nd generation immigrent citizens don't even know what patriotism is all about.
mike westman
5:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
and apparently you do not know either
Franklin Leon Johnson
7:12 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Mike you need help, get it soon
Richard
5:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
More guns are precisely NOT the answer. The problem--as I think should be clear--is that guns are too prevalent in America. Plus, there is a "gun culture," where guns are thought of as macho and glamorous. The US has about 12,000 homicides a year and 20 or more in one weekend here in Chicago. England has maybe 50 annually. How do you account for that? Maybe it's just that the English are more civilized and don't have the desire to go around shooting one another. And they don't feel they need to arm themselves. If everyone had a gun, maybe I'd need a gun. If no one has a gun, I don't need a gun.
And--no one who is not a constitutional scholar should presume to interpret the Second Amendment and to say that they know clearly what its meaning and intention are. And there has been a considerable body of jurisprudence that said that the right to own guns is not absolute. If it were in my power, I'd repeal the Second Amendment.
Also, if I could do so, I'd make a NEGATIVE contribution to Senator Nieves.
REPUBLIC RISING
7:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Please no more negative contributions from you, the one you make in society is bad enough.
Tony Wilson
5:35 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Everyone in this blog that is gung-ho for gun ownership and tighter restrictions on mental patients and those on medication for the same, HOO-Ray for you!!!!!!!!!! The rest of you uneducated Liberal twerps, F-off, better yet, leave the USA, because you don't deserve to be here in the greatest country in the world.
Joe Public
6:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The whole might of the US Military versus it's citizens is something that had me thinking the same thing for years. The US Military is the best in the world with their tanks, missiles, jets, drones, etc. Then new info was presented to me that was a real eye opener. Guerilla warfare is always a problem for a well established military and the largest 'army' in the entire world is not the Chinese but the very decently armed US Sportsman (Hunters).
US Military comes in with maybe around 3 Million men (not all will side with the government in such a fight) versus about 80 Million Sportsman (not all with show up for such a fight). If even a much smaller percentage of those 80 Million Sportsman show up with a decent hunting rifle, you are talking about untold MILLIONS of amatuer SNIPERS.
Then the info was shared that it always takes our military MONTHS to organize a large scale operation effectively. Millions of citizen riflemen can be out the door in MINUTES if things look to be going that way.
Just saying, changes your thinking a bit. If it doesn't, you're not thinking about it very hard at all...
Lillard Lee
6:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sen. Brian Nieves: If you sir are being paid a penny over $26K per year, then you can take my donation out of your own wallet, as you are far better off financially than my household combined.
If you are taking a penny over $52K per year, then be honest enough to donate every penny over that $52K.
No person on earth truly earns more than $52K per year.
REPUBLIC RISING
7:19 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
WHAT?
BARBARA MARTIN
6:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
they are trying to take away our constutional rights and that is where they are heading
Tony Marquez
6:26 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
All of these proponents for the possession of automatic weapons with large magazines make me sick!! The Second Amendment was established at a remote time in the past when we were fighting to survive as a nation. That no longer applies! An assault weapon is appropriate when a rogue elephant or a pack of hyenas is about to attack you. But is it appropriate when first graders are cowering under their desks? Please be logical and compare the differences. If you can't do that, then you need psychiatric help. I don't buy this crap about the right to possess arms is an exclusive privilege that every U.S. citizen has. BS!!!!
Franklin Leon Johnson
7:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Tony please use your head, and research what constitutes a automatic weapon. then maybe you and all the anti gun nuts will come to the conclusion, hell they are illegal to own. Maybe you or one of these posters can elighten us when and where they were used to murder all those people, please be logical, and enough of your BS!!!
jore
11:07 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Tony, where have you been? As the strongest country in the world we are always fighting to survive, do you not know about the Taliban? My son served two tours fighting them, it is not nice and they sir hate us and our country. A country that stops fighting to survive dies
ROSE
6:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Of course our country still has MIlitia's...the ones buying the ones buying these guns, ok the sane American's who are buying these guns are buying them for the mere purpose of defending themselves and their family from the government. They are waiting for the day our Goverment tries to take away our 2nd Amendment, and trust me if you don't believe this, you are in for a rude awakening........unfortunately, the insane people end up getting these guns and killing innocent children with them.
Philip Linton
6:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Amen! I will be one of the first out the door with my hunting rifle in hand!
Sandy Moore
6:52 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We wouldn't have a freakin' Constitution in the first place to outline our freedoms and laws to protect them if people could be trusted to govern themselves. Now you want to arm every home? What is going to turn good people into bad people. Good cops with power can turn bad. Militia groups will start thinking they are the law. What happens when the gun nuts turn on each other? This man and the gun folks are completely out of their minds. We need gun control and we need it now!!!! People toting gun can take our other rights away from us. The 2nd Amendment never, never comes before our other rights. God helps us. The far right is NUTS! I hate the words "patriot" and "republic" now. These are dangerous words and meanings now.
ConserveObserve
7:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Calm down Sandy. You're right, we wouldn't have a Constitution if people could be trusted to govern themselves. That's why our 2nd Amendment rights come from a creator, not people, and shall not be infringed. And yes, people toting guns can take our other rights away, but only if we're unarmed. Think about it Sandy.
REPUBLIC RISING
7:04 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
WHAT???
Many people today have lost the knowledge to govern themslves by Design by indoctrination into the Progressive FAILURES Nany State Plantation. Before these Progressive Erosions of America and it's people, they managed just fine with little to NO Gov't for close to 300 yrs they did well. Since 1913 when gov't grow exponentially as well as taxation we have erosion adn ruination of a people and nation.
I would suggestion further Education by reading this short story that should be taught in every school and every, church and home. It's about an American hero, Davy Crockett - SOCKDOLAGER.
http://personalliberty.com/2010/04/09/sockdolager-a-tale-of-davy-crockett-charity-and-congress/
Just so you all can see how far off The American track we have gone into Democommunism
Franklin Leon Johnson
7:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You got that wrong , Sweetie, I would explain why the Constitution was written, should have listened when in grade school, beyond help now. Obama voter?.
REPUBLIC RISING
6:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Good Man.
I'm PRO CHOICE on GUNS, don't like GUNS don't get one!
Just like your argument for Abortions, don't like abortions don't get one and BTW Abortions murder way more children than all the guns on Yahweh's Earth COMBINED.
REPUBLIC RISING ~ how the hell did Fraud Democracy, Repugnant to The Constitution and our Pledge of Allegiance, creep into every facett of our lives?
Sandy Moore
6:56 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Perhaps the plan all along was for the gun industry to get rich selling guns because of mass hysteria; and now they will have to confiscate the guns. Our history is proof that people can not govern themselves. Gun laws would have never been enacted if we could be trusted to govern ourselves. Consider too, populations were relatively small compared to the population and chaos now. The far right is simply mad!!!!!!
Franklin Leon Johnson
7:31 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Yes mad as hell,Too many of you stupid people.
Deadmanwalkingby
9:40 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Another shining example of YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.....get off the kool-aide.
jore
11:11 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sandy you are so uneducated on ALL these issues. Good luck
Barb
6:56 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
All of you who suggest that we should all be "armed to the hilt" just because of
the 2nd Amendment really need to have your heads examined. It's not the
kind of society most of us want to live in whether you agree with that or not. All
you are doing is keeping the gun manufacturers and their agent, the NRA, very happy as they run to the bank !
Sandy Moore
6:58 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Wyatt Earp enacted strict gun laws when he went from gunslinger to lawman. He knew man could not govern himself. He knew better than anyone turning from gunslinger/gunfighter to lawman. That was a primitive era too.
ConserveObserve
7:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sandy, read below what Joe Mamma has offered. I'm worried about you and I don't mean to be condesending at all. Open your mind to the other viewpoint and think about the issue rationally instead of emotionally. Thanks.
Franklin Leon Johnson
7:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
No he was a coward, shot most of his victims when they were unarmed, because of , ummm HIM.
Joe Mamma
6:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A Gun History Lesson:
-In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
-Turkey: 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians rounded up and exterminated.
-Germany: 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews exterminated.
-China: 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.
-Guatemala: 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians exterminated.
-Uganda: 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians exterminated.
-Cambodia: 1975 to 1977, one million ' educated ' people exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
-After Australian law forced citizens to surrender their personal firearms, homicides went up 3.2 percent, assaults 8.6 percent, and armed robberies 44 percent!
-Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard University from 1919-1921, it was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U.S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U.S. and knew that almost all households had guns.
-You don't think this could happen here? That's what they all thought. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives. God bless you Senator!
REPUBLIC RISING
7:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Good info the other historical facts we can also use is our own American history when they confiscated all the Gold people trusted the Gov't Criminals and we all became slaves by confiscation, Taxation, Interest, Debt, Deflation, Inflation, etc. and now are an Enslaved people to a Criminal Gov't that Spends what they don't have and Confiscates by Force and GUNS to force the people to pay for their Criminal Acts.
Also lets ask the American Natives how their Treaties and Trust of the Gov't worked out for them. Concentration camps have happened many times in America ask the Japanese and Natives how it worked out for them when they trusted this CRIMINAL GOV'T.
BTW nobody is forcing anyone to won guns - I'M PRO CHOICE on GUNS, don't like them don't get one, just like the loony left argument on Abortions which Murder way more people that all guns combined.
Joe Mamma
7:10 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Are you going to let them take your guns America? You have had this right in the Consitution for over two Centuries, have you googled the news lately? "The man who police say was naked and choking a pet Rottweiler when he was shot by a homeowner in Miami is expected to make his first appearance in bond court Thursday afternoon.
Jeffery Delice, 20, is being held without bond following his arrest Wednesday on charges of burglary with assault, animal cruelty, lewd and lascivious battery and resisting an officer with violence.
Miami Police say the incident began when the homeowner was awoken around 5 a.m. when he heard a commotion and dogs barking outside his residence in the area of Northwest 2nd Avenue and 56th Street."
If this same thing happens to you, are you going to grab your fly swatter in the middle of the night or your AR-15?
beachtyper
7:14 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Before 1776 Americans were governed by a constitutional monarch. The problem was they were not represented and had little control of government. At that time 95% country folk had small arms, perhaps 60% of city folk had small arms; gun ownership was not an issue but I suspect neighbors with cannons probably were. To gain independence the war was fought with official, organized and trained citizens called militias. Militias had cannons and other heavier weapons than ordinary citizens. Militias were like volunteer firemen - called up if needed.
Now - power in America is diluted and regularly challenged by many different groups - lead by free speech and freedom of the press. This does not change the fact that at any time a small group could take control of government and essentially install a new 'much loved' dictator - for life. The first prevention of this is a well informed citizenry who knows how to use their vote. Finally is actual warfare - which could be pretty much the disintegration of America much like Syria today.
The question remains: how to allow armed protection from others yet maintain a safe environment?
And what I hear is mostly name calling, put downs and insults.
Sandy Moore
7:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. ---Oscar Wilde
Anyone that uses the word "Republic" now makes me cringe. I've been saying from the very start that the Tea Party is a very dangerous movement. These people are dangerous to a democracy. Our government needs to step in and take their guns and they need to start with Texas. He is speaking of militia and vigilante types here. It disturbs me that this man is an elected official. Americans don't realize that you can go to a gun show and buy a gun and do so without a background check. You can buy guns and work around the system. They do it all the time. People have arsenals in their homes.
This man should be removed from office. His talk is sick and dangerous.
ConserveObserve
7:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Uh Sandy, not to pick on you but, we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy. If a vigilante is someone willing to apply deadly force to defend my family.....I be one.(sic)
REPUBLIC RISING
8:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sandy put the mouse down, put your hands where we can see them, back away slowly and stop harming yourself with your Hate, Profiling, Labeling, Bullying, Dividing, etc.
so the word Republic makes you cringe?
Do you crawl out of a room when children say The Pledge of Allegiance to The Republic?
Do you burn the Constitution when you read Article IV Section 4?
The one sick and dangerous is you - that man was duly elected by voters that wanted him and you as an American if you are one has to Respect That, the people spoke.
You just want to force gun owner to go buy them in a dark alley, like the Criminals do now, right?
I'm PRO CHOICE on GUNS, don't like Guns DON"T BUY ONE
jore
11:13 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Thank you Conserveobserve
Sandy Moore
7:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
These people disturb me when they compare an object to an unborn fetus and/or child as if an object is just as important as the human life they "claim" to be so concerned about. They don't respect the life that is born in this country. They don't care about the children living in poverty that are born. Again, they are obsessed with an object and comparing it to an abortion. It is sick what they are doing. These gun nuts are sick. The far right in America has gone mad!!!!
Deadmanwalkingby
9:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
So you're justifying abortion by saying we don't want children living in poverty ??? What a sick mind! It's ok to kill the unborn because we don't want them to suffer some problems in their future life.....guess your mother wanted you to suffer some.
Sandy Moore
7:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If you all believe in a symbolic anti-Christ this is it. The gun folks on the far right have shown me that they are the biblical anti-Christ. The gun is the mark of the devil. The gun equals 666.
ConserveObserve
7:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Now I'm getting douche-chills....
ConserveObserve
7:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill
Sandy Moore
7:27 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Not to pick on you but a Republic is a form of Democracy and we are both. You need to educate youself and visit the Supreme Court webpage before you incorrectly correct me. You are indoctrinated with BS and most likely got your education from reading the Barton book of lies. God help us the far right is dangerous.
ConserveObserve
7:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - George Washington
I'll cast my lot with George.
ConserveObserve
7:32 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759
REPUBLIC RISING
7:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sandy,
You are a Perfect example of why welfare people should get internet service.
Also your brainashing and indoctrination education has made you sick and mad, you have become a shell of what you could be.
Republic is a form of democracy? SAY WHAT?
Democracy is Communism in Infancy and every single democracy ends in Communism and self destructing, none has ever survived.
So you know a Republic, like the American, is Rule by Law
Democracy is Majority or Mob Rule without regard for the law and anyone else.
You are a perfect example of this, SCREW the CONSTITUTION and Those Crazies that follow the law, we want this and will screw everyone and Well Esablished LAW to FORCE IT ON ALL OF YOU whether you agree or not - MOB RULE the suicide of a nation.
Now put the mouse down, and please go away.
REPUBLIC RISING
Deadmanwalkingby
10:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Go pop a couple of Midols, your PMS is raging and making you delusional.
What's the difference between a liberal and a schizophrenic ?
The schizophrenic occasionally realizes he is delusional.
Backgammon
7:31 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sandy, Hypocrisy Watch
http://youtu.be/flbzbFbKxK0
You are on some serious drugs if you believe for one second that the Right to bear arms and abortion are simpatico. Guns will never be gone, get used to it.
At the risk of sounding like a liberal, you are just stupid and uninformed!
Rudolph N Koester
7:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
To those making comments about the "militia" and that the second amendment only applies to the "militia"....WERE YOU ASLEEP in your history classes.......what in gods name do you think the militia is....it is every able bodied citizen in the country.....and current military technology in th hands of the citzenry is a blessing....during World War II Japanese invasion of the west coast was ruled out as Admiral Yamamoto knew their would be a "rifle behind every blade of grass". Want to save lives....start prosecuting all the SUV driving soccer moms texting behind the wheel I have to dodge every morning on the way to work.
Sandy Moore
7:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Interesting how the tea baggers hand pick selected quotes without telling the entire story. It is called taking quotes out of context for manipulative purpose. We don't live in 1776. Some of us evolved. I see the tea baggers are de-evolving. It is very sad. I won't blink an eye when the cops have to come and confiscate your gun from your cold dead hands. You are all so uneducated and ignorant. You can't even take our past history and apply it to an evolved society. It is disturbing.
Charles Mitchell
8:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Dear Sandy Moorxist: It is quite evident you know absolutely nothing about the Constitution, American Revolution, or modern warfare. Your blather on this website is insignificant but comical. That, at least, deserves a reply.
Deadmanwalkingby
10:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sandy, have you ever thought about auditioning for the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.? Certainly the two of you have the same common need.
Kitzer
7:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Now I've heard everything!!!
I had to read his manifesto twice because I couldn't believe what I read the first time!!
And I still cannot comprehend that a person would state such idiotic things!!
And, to think that people ACTUALLY voted for IT!!!
tikigreg
7:41 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This guy is a paranoid,fear mongering idiot!
Roberta Shoemaker-Beal
8:47 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I agree !!! Read the saint Louis Post Dispatch: I believe them !!! http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/the-platform/editorial-sen-brian-nieves-shameful-act-wears-thin/article_7fc2ac69-20ff-5ba3-b0d1-f70e28d5d152.html
Gary S Bonds
8:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
All the way to the bank.
Barb
7:41 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Australia - the real facts:
On 4/28/96, a gunman opened fire in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. He killed 35 people and wounded 23. 12 days later, the gov't did something remarkable and announced a bipartisan deal with state and local gov'ts to enact sweeping gun-control measures. 10 + years later, the results of these policy changes are clear: They worked really well.
At the heart was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles. The new gun laws prohibited private sales, req'd all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and req'd that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count.) Public support of these measures were upwards of 90%.
What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent. Robberies involving a firearm also dropped significantly. Meanwhile, home invasions did not increase, contrary to fears that firearm ownership is needed to deter such crimes. But here’s the most stunning stat: In the decade before the massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in the decade before the massacre - not a single one since.
Gary S Bonds
8:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Agreed. A link to support.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/
Dave
7:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I am a veteran of two combat tours while in the US Navy. Last time I checked, the oath I took upon enlisting did not have an expiration date on it. Therefore in order to '... defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC...' firearms are pretty much necessary, as the enemy will have them more than likely.
Gary S Bonds
8:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Then IF a law were made, say to limit the availability of 30 round clips you would be bound to defend it UNTIL and IF it were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, right?
jore
11:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Gary, that means the government by making laws that are illegal to make because the Constitution forbids it are not protected by the military law. So no they do not have to protect an illegal law and like it or not the military will have the last say in a crisis
Sandy Moore
7:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
What is sad is our Republican House is controlled by Tea Party nutjobs like Senator Brian Nieves. We should all be upset that these disturbing individuals are our lawmakers. We have got to vote them all out in 2 years. I'm am shocked by what this man is saying and has written. They are extremists. They are extremist lawmakers in our government. Extremism should never be tolerated. We are a civilized society. We do not live in 1776. We are to use our intellect over guns.
ConserveObserve
7:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You're really tickling my funny bone Sandy. Wait a minute, wait a minute, okay....uh, good luck with your intellect against a homicidal miscreant looking to do you harm. And shocking is your utter lack of historical perspective.....re-read Joe Mamma above.
Pocono Shooting Range
7:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
1776 is the same as 2013 and it will be in 2576. Only you can protect yourself from government.
The only reason slavery ever existed in the world is because some people would rather live as slaves then die fighting for freedom.
Barb
7:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Absolutely agree - the "tea party" is one of the worst movements to happen in this country, but they are now being marginalized by the republican leadership (chairs for committes are being denied, etc). They will be voted out (West in Fl, Walsh in Il) and more to come including Brian Nieves. Just a matter of time. People really regret voting for them.....elections do have consequences if you don't do your homework !!
Deadmanwalkingby
10:16 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Extremism should never be tolerated. Agree with you 100%. It is our intent to get rid of all the stupid manipulative LEFT WINGERS out of our govt. And we would like to ship all you crazy liberals to California and put a wall around it so none of you could escape. Then you can govern yourselves any way you want.
GDS
7:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Funny I do not believe you quite understand what you read. Back then they did not have a big military hence the reason they talk about a well armed well trained militia. Such as what we call a National guard today. That is why the 2nd amendment was written. Just plain folks with guns do not constitute a well armed and trained militia. And I do believe you are very wrong in what they would have allowed citizens to own as weapons. Considering what was a weapon then single shot muskets and pistols. Weapons that also put food on the table. Semi auto weapons and hundred round clips are not used for putting food on anyone's table, so I would disagree with you that they would allow such weapons to be owned. If we go by your logic then they would also allow you to own rocket launchers, jet fighters, nukes ect. to defend against the government gone mad.
ConserveObserve
7:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
There is no "allowing" in the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment is stating a pre-existing condition of an endowment from our creator.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government." -Patrick Henry
Know it....Live it.
Deadmanwalkingby
10:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Since you seem to be an intellectually-challenged liberal, let me inform you that semi-automatic weapons are used for hunting in almost every state in America. If you're going to argue a point at least try to get the basic facts correct.
Sandy Moore
7:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We have our own taliban rising in America and it is the Tea Party taliban.
ConserveObserve
8:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Yeah, the "Taxed-Enough-Already" Party is weeeeeeeel scawee Sandy!
Charles Mitchell
8:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You are right, Sandy Moorxist. They will have to fight you and your Communist Party.
Deadmanwalkingby
10:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I bet you're kin to Michael Moore aren't you. You spew the same gibberish and lies as that sack of $#&. You're free to leave the USA any time you like.
Walter Manning BMC(sw) (Ret)
7:48 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Brian my Friend, you were there when I received my last AR-15, you know that I believe as you do, basically because of our military backgrounds. I grew up as you did hunting and fishing in the country where we grew gardens and our herds of cattle and crops. We know if the government got their grubby hands on our weapons, those fields would be government farms producing for the mass work programs. Somewhat like the stimulus packages they are coming up with now. Why the people in this blog cannot see the truth, I don't understand. History repeats it's self unless halted by the patriots. We as Americans need to lock arms as we lock and load our AR-15's, squirrel guns or what ever else a person owns and stand up to the political guru's who believe that disarming this country is the answer. Any one who has studied the murder of the Jews and all of the associated millions in Germany during the Second World War can tell that disarmament was the first step in controlling the country. If they want mine, it will be at a price, and I don't mean that they can buy it from me, as my once Great President of the NRA said," From my cold dead hands"-Charlton Heston. Good luck Brian, hope to see you soon. Chief Boatswain's Mate Manning
Pocono Shooting Range
7:51 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The purpose of the Second Amendment is to arm people in order to prevent future tyranny. They need the tools to do this.
The term "Well Regulated" in the Second Amendment meant "Well Manned and Equipped " in 1791 as was determined in the 1939 United States v. Miller case after referencing the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin. The concept of Government Regulation, as we understand it today, did not exist at the time.
United States v. Miller also determined that the term "Arms" refers to "Ordinary Military Weapons" (not crew operated). American Citizens have the right to Keep and Bear, which means Own and Carry, any weapons that a soldier carries into battle. That includes past, present and future weapons. A Militia consisted of armed volunteers willing to fight with their personal arms and not under government control.
The 2008 Heller v. Washington DC decision reaffirmed that the Right to Bear Arms was an Individual right. The 2010 McDonald v. Chicago decision reaffirmed it yet again and made it clear that it applies to every state, every city and every town in the United States.
To limit the Second Amendment to muskets would be the equivalent of limiting the First Amendment to writings in quill pens.
Liberty is worth the risk of death!
Tony Wilson
7:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
All of you non-gun owners need to come to your senses and realize that the criminals will NEVER abide by any gun-laws, even forced govt seizure of firearms. They LOVE folks like you who they can easily rob, rape, and murder. Taking the guns away from the LAW ABIDING citizens would be like opening a country of euphoria for the criminal mindset. Guns are not going away in this world, no matter how much you wish and try to legislate them away. You uneducated pacifists believe the POLICE can take care of you in dire situations. What a bunch of bunk believing this. That is a physical impossibility. Millions and millions of guns are already in the hands of the criminals and mentally unfit in this country and the world. Guns in the hands of the non-criminal is a major deterrent against the criminal element. Yes, accidents happen and in fits of rage, the non-criminal commits acts of crime with a gun. But can you imagine if only the criminal element had the guns and ammo in our society? Chaos would prevail with our population of 320 million plus citizens. The USA has a laundry list of "gun laws" on the books aimed against mainly, the law-abiding citizen. I say NO GUNS to folks being treated for mental disorders and past mental patients. I say stricter laws concerning the securing of guns in homes with children and "unstable folks" in the homes of gun owners.
Marc Jordan
7:58 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
One central theme runs through all gun nut responses, and that is - paranoia. What else could explain it?
The only case they give is for preventing the American government from taking over everybody's thoughts and possessions, which sounds absolutely nuts to me.
I did like the comment about the "old day" where an Indian could come into ones home.
ConserveObserve
8:08 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"Force always attracts men of low morality." Albert Einstein
Barb
8:11 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
It's pure paranoia and faux paranoia on the part of Brian Nieves who is pandering to the unstable on this site for his own economic gain.
Barry Sibole
8:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A Gun History Lesson:
-In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
-Turkey: 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians rounded up and exterminated.
-Germany: 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews exterminated.
-China: 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.
-Guatemala: 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians exterminated.
-Uganda: 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians exterminated.
-Cambodia: 1975 to 1977, one million ' educated ' people exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
-After Australian law forced citizens to surrender their personal firearms, homicides went up 3.2 percent, assaults 8.6 percent, and armed robberies 44 percent!
-Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard University from 1919-1921, it was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U.S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U.S. and knew that almost all households had guns.
-You don't think this could happen here? That's what they all thought. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives.
The above is what you say is paranoia, it has happened in the past, and could very well be in our future, those who dont learn from the past will repeat it.
REPUBLIC RISING
8:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Paranoia? Really??
Are you saying that the US Gov't is not capable of breaking treaty, killing people, concentration camps, confiscation, etc.?
Confiscation
Consfiscated all the Gold from American people and now ENSLAVE the people thuru Taxation, Infaltion, etc.
Concentration Camps,
Japanese and Native Americans.
Breaking Treaties.
Native Americans - many treaties were broken.
Attacks and Kilings
Branch Davidian (women and children burned alive and invade even with tanks.
Ruby Ridge
Swat Teams - Gibson Guitar, Raw Milk Sellers, etc.
The Founders new how CRIMINAL gov'ts can become that is why they Chained them with the Constitution and now Progressive FAILURES that have been Eroding America want to Erode those Chains on The Gov't? That is SUICIDE, just look at what they have done with The Treasury - who would trust these CRIMINALS only the Suicidal or Brainwashed Progressive FAILURES
I'm PRO CHOICE on GUNS - don't like Guns, DON'T GET ONE but respect others freedoms to do so.
Gary S Bonds
8:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Barry, your info on Australia is just plain wrong.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/
Marc Jordan
7:59 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Barry, the countries you listed aren't exactly of the "stable" type that I wrote about. You cite Uganda, Cambodia, Guatemala? Some people seem to live under extreme government instability and these are prime examples.
What about the UK, Brazil, Canada or Holland? Nazi Germany is an anomalie in all this. That could have occurred with a well armed or disarmed population as it was an event of numbers, and the German people could care less about the Jews.
AY
8:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The British went from a great empire to a second rate world power and the British pound sterling was usurped from the world currency by the United States dollar. These events all happened without the British citizenry being armed to the teeth and without the country being fearful of foreign invasion.
The British, by the way, are subjects of Her Majesty the Queen, they are fully enfranchised citizens of The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.
The tyranny the Founding Fathers escaped from came to an end bloodlessly and the citizens concerned dismantled it politically without every citizen needing to be armed. If you now fear your government even though every citizen is enfranchised, then I would offer that you have the wrong sort of government. If you fear invasion from abroad your military is the source of defence against a foreign enemy. If you do not trust your military to defend you against invasion I would offer that your military must be lacking.
Guns are the problem, and the availability of guns an even larger problem.
REPUBLIC RISING
8:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
OK lets see here.
Hurricane Sandy
Sandy Hook (A HOAX)
and now
Sandy Moore - an example of why Welfare recipients should be prohibited from getting internet or a ballot.
ConserveObserve
8:10 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I went to the Outer Banks last weekend and got Sandy in my shorts......
REPUBLIC RISING
8:36 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sandy in your short, for yor sake I hope you were not in them also, if she gave them back Make sure you fumigate and incinerate :)
jore
11:29 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Republic I agree with you on everything but the welfare comments. I had cancer twice as a single mother of two, dad left when I became ill. I had to go on welfare, I had internet to go to school and when I got better I became a police officer. Some people on assistance truely need it and are not idiots like Sandy. I know where you are coming from though because I am sick again and live in a ghetto, so yes I do see what you are saying but not all of us feel like this, and of course many in my "hood" have a lot of fire power and certainly do not need to as they are the give me yours liberals. I stay strapped, in bed in my car, every room etc. I see people gunned down a lot and I KNOW that taking guns is stupid they will still have them.
jore
11:31 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
NOT TO MENTION IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT MY SON, FATHER, GRANDFATER AND BACK TO REVOLUTION FOUGHT TO GIVE US!
John Brown
8:10 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Gun availability has killed or injured an unbelievable amount of people in the USA. Guns in the hands of ordinary citizens has never protected us from foreign armies or "tyrany" except for 200 years ago when all sides had muskets. Its at the root of most violent crime, completed suicides, mass killings by lunatics, drug dealing, gangs, accidental deaths, etc etc. Its too late to have a gun free world but why do we now need to introduce high capacity weapons and clips and military assault rifles? Paranoid right wingers, the NRA , home made Rambos and vigilantes and gun industry want it I guess. Shootings are good for buisness cause now we need an armed guard in EVERY school, movie theater, temple, church, mall, workplace, college, etc and they all need the best assault weapon you can get. You are headed for gun mayhem where people are going to have trigger fingers and shootings will be as common as fist fighting. Like Mexico, Syria, Afganistan, Somalia, Liberia, Columbia, South Africa. More guns in this country does not equal security it equals lots of murdrers and mayhem just like in those countries or our inner cities like Detroit. Do u really think that in this country with all crime statistics, history of violence and history of mental illness, we need TEC9, AK 47, AR 15. Do u really think that all these weapons will stay in the hands of law abiding, permit holding citizens or do these weapons find their way to the wrong hands?
Sandy Moore
8:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
There is no right involved in the ownership of a gun that trumps an individuals right to not get shot with one. Our other rights come before your gun rights, sir!!!!!
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Get ready whacko gun nuts. We have the right to take your guns and we will have to reading these crazy lawmaker quotes and your crazy posts. It will be your fault, too!
Barry Sibole
8:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
2nd Amendment is our right to keep and bear arms, tell me where does ones rights end and anothers begin? what makes you think your right to not own a gun is more valuable then my right to own one. You dont want one dont buy one, as for me being a law abiding citizen and with what i can afford i will continue to purchase the weapons i want. Oh btw every gun i have purchased at a gun show came with a required back ground check, which i always pass because im a law abiding citizen.
REPUBLIC RISING
8:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Are you going to Demand all Police get rid of their guns because of your Right not to be shot? Police Kill more innocent people than all the Lawful gun owners combined kill criminals
If all these "laws" will solve the gun violence than you might as well disarm the Police they will have no need for Guns.
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - Don't Like GUNS, Don't get one. But get your dirty friggin hands off my Rights to Protect My Family and my life.
DTG
9:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Not all firearm entusiast are nuts. Because you are articulate and obviously bright. First we are dealing with a public, like gvernment which is polarized.Since you call gun-nuts whackos, nylon bands to prevent guns being loaded and creating an accident. Now who are the wackos?
I live just a few miles from Sandy Hook and am naturally sickened by this masacre.
Are you aware there was a mental institution iNewtown? Are you aware of the Cheshire home invasion (2008)? Where mother and two daughters were rapped and burned alive! To you I say' "What kind of Soceity produces monsters like this"?To bring such hurt and pain to innocent people,
Is this a take off from the Pot Smoking, LSD tripping, Free love or veneral disease, Hippie, generation, Is this where the irresponsible parrent comes from whose children have no respect for human life or even there name?
Sorry to say Mrs. Lanza is responsible for this tragedy. She had all the means necessay to circumvent this situation. I am sure this was not the first time he had a violent eposode. parenting is the crux of the situation. Teach; respect for others, their religion,their property and most of all their right to live. (I had to cut this short Now besides beig called a nut and whacko. iam called Tolsoy
Deadmanwalkingby
10:31 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Well, come on in Sandy....I live in the brick split-level.......I'll be waiting.
jore
11:36 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
sandy, why do you not move to a country that has no guns and see what it is like. Go talk to all those killed in genocides and dictator wishes. You are more scarey to me than all the guns I have had pointed at me combined! (I was a police officer), it is the liberal s that want to live in a protected bubble with gov nanny overseeing every move that scare me. You will NEVER get the guns
Pam
8:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
It appears to me that all Nieves cares about is whether or not he gets money sent to him. Requesting money immediately right at the second paragraph after stating that he "just sat down and started writing and this is what came out! No resources, no outside influence. This is pure, straight up, and from the heart, and it defines my stand on Gun Laws" in the first paragraph is definitely nothing more than pandering.
REPUBLIC RISING
8:48 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I thought that odd also BUT if you read again you will see that the paragraph was Added After.
BTW there is nothing wrong with asking for donations, it is VOLUNTARY not like TAXATION.....it is your choice nobody is forcing you to donate.
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - don't like GUNS, Don't Get one.
That is your Right and your Coice, I respect that, now please respect My Right and My Choice.
ConserveObserve
8:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You really, really need to read the Constitution, at least once, and have someone along side you who can explain the plain English therein. It's not that complicated. It was written so the common citizen could read and understand it for themselves. Maybe you have comprehension issues? I hope not Sandy. It really is a beautiful read.
Sandy Moore
8:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Insult me all you want tea baggers, but the Constitution is what I studied in college. I know the Constitution a lot better than you do. I also know, it is only as good as those we can trust to interpret it correctly, sanely, fairly, and apply it to an evolved society. Quoting our founding fathers out of context is NOT grasping reality.
Barry Sibole
8:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Then you have read and understood the Federalist Papers? With the farce coming from dc, the "i studied the Constitution in college" means a very left liberal way of dismantling it because they believe its an outdated document.
FrankieB
8:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
First we have an armed miltia, made up of citizen soldiers. It's called the National Guard.
Secondly, shootings are not caused by trained, permitted, licensed to carry, or members of national gun associations.
These killings are done by criminal and mentally ill persons.
Check the national statistics.
REPUBLIC RISING
8:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You clearly went to a very low grade community college, if you studied and Know The Constitution you would NEVER say this "it is only as good as those we can trust to interpret it correctly, sanely, fairly, and apply it to an evolved society. Quoting our founding fathers out of context is NOT grasping reality"
There is no interpretation of anything, it is basic language and to be read with the mind set of the time that it was written and not EVOLVED or INTERPRETED to today's society. It can be Amended BUT NOT interpreted or Adapted/Evolve to Today's Society.
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - don't like GUNS, Don't Get one.
That is your Right and your Coice, I respect that, now please respect My Right and My Choice.
Gary M.
8:34 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I am in firm agreement with the senator. I can make an argument that would state that this gov't, right now, under the leadership of Pres. Obama and other left wing "Progressives" has already laid the groundwork for the makings of a tyrannical government. The Senator's own phrases, such as "God Forbid" and 'I pray..." are now being questioned by our gov't. They want to take GOD out of government. The dems tried to take him/her out of their platform. They want a godless gov't that by it's very nature will lose itas moral compass. All of our forefather's writings had God mentioned. Without the moral guidance of God (regardless of your view of him or her) there is little left to protect the average person from an out of control gov't. First take God out, then take the citizen's means of protection, ie guns. It is a slippery slope.
Sandy Moore
8:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Do you feel better now using a condescending tone to try and intimidate me? You probably have your gun sitting on your lap and feel so powerful because of it. You aren't respectful of others AND you have a gun! I not only studied Constitutional law, but I also studied psychology. I know gun obsessed enthusiasts go on a power trips because they are trying to compensate for their inadequately sized sexual parts.
jore
11:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I do not have a gun in my lap, and am not surprised you studied psychology! All the craziest people I ever met did.
Ronald Rice
9:07 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy, do you have a fire extinguisher? If so, why? If you are going to depend on the police to keep you and your family safe from violent criminals, thieves, and home invaders, why do you not depend on the fire department to keep your home safe from a fire? You are just as likely to have a violent home invasion as you are to have a home fire. Protecting yourself from one and not the other is not very good for your family, in my opinion, so therefore I deduct you don't love your family. I'm using the same logic as you.
Roberta Shoemaker-Beal
8:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
You dumped my statement.......... This blog is too much trouble.......
Gary S Bonds
8:42 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Nieves, I think it is disgusting that you would use a tragedy like this as an opportunity for fundraising. Consider me happy that you are at least NOT in my state.
Barry Sibole
8:44 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The left have been using this and all other tragedies like this to further their agenda, and you think Senator Nieves is disgusting LOL
Gary S Bonds
10:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Barry, most Democrats in office want NOTHING to do with gun legislation. They are afraid of the NRA and Mr $1,000,000/year LaPierre. They are being dragged into it kicking and screaming by the description of 5-year olds being executed,
What I REALLY find disgusting is the gun manufacturers making tons of money off the increased sales due to the paranoia over the image of gun control.
The most that will happen is a ban on large capacity magazines. And maybe (I hope) ending the exception for background checks at gun shows. But most likely nothing will happen.
For the record, I have a .22 and a 20ga. I am NOT a total gun banning zealot. But where do you draw the line? Shoulder-fired missles? And how do you suppose the good Senator would feel about people bringing assault weapons to his rallies? Bet he wouldn't support THAT!
Barry Sibole
10:05 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
the entire dsp, unless they are up for re-election will back feinstien/obama gun ban, your reference to shoulder fired missles is typical anti-gun rhetoric- these are already removed from the private sector, civilians cannot purchase these unless done illegally therefore making them criminals- the problems to begin with focus on crime and criminals not law abiding citizens more regulation on those who follow the law IS tyranny and control nothing else.
Sandy Moore
8:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I know for a fact people can go to gun shows and buy guns without background checks. Hell they sale guns in the parking lots at the gun shows here in Texas. I have been to a gun show and I saw exactly that!
Barry Sibole
8:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Every gun i purchase is legal, so again why level your venom at law abiding citizens for what the criminal element does, focus on crime and the criminal not those of us following the law.
Ronald Rice
9:12 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy, you have never tried to buy a gun at a gun show. What you're saying is a total lie. I have purchased a gun at a gun show and you do indeed get a background check, and it must be approved before you can purchase a gun. Why do you purport such lies? I guess you must purport such lies to advance your agenda.
bikeguyrich
8:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
What a nut. And this guy is a Senator? Call out the paranoids and lets se how many we get. I'm writing you this now, no notes no prompting..... what a maroon, probably thinks the rapture is imminent.
ConserveObserve
8:50 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Wow! You wrote THAT with no notes or prompting? Pretty impressive there bikeguyrich....
ConserveObserve
9:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I'd rather be a "maroon" than a moron. You need to putt-putt out of here on your bike.....
Sandy Moore
8:49 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I can't believe the comment "pro--gun" if you don't want one then don't get one. The idiocy in comparing an object to the rights of our body is just insane. Comparing an object to the right to our privacy is insane. Gun rights do NOT come before our right to privacy. This gun obsession is idol worship. Many of you claim to believe in the Bible and your beliefs don't even follow scripture. You all pick and choose, make stuff up, pick sins that are okay and aren't, take it literally, and misinterpret it. You have done the same thing with our Constitution. You crazy!!!!!!
Barry Sibole
8:52 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
So what does the right to privacy have to do with the right to keep and bear arms, we also have the right against illegal search and sezure, but you seem to advocate that, as long as it taking guns, we have the right to due process, to be charged, tried and convicted before sentence is passed, we USED to be innocent until proven guilty in America but i guess that doesnt fall in you "scope" of your understanding of the Constitution.
REPUBLIC RISING
10:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
If your neighbors owns a gun, what does that have to do with your privacy?
BTW the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Comes Before The Right To Privacy if you learned the Constitution like you claim you would know that.
The 2nd Amendment comes before the 3rd, 4th, 5th or 9th Amendments - this is in the same Constitution that you mentioned and know very little about.
http://intro.jointhedejurerepublic.com/index.php
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - don't like GUNS, Don't Get one.
That is your Right and your Coice, I respect that, now please respect My Right and My Choice.
FrankieB
8:54 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
too many bobble heads dads and tizzy moms posting.
stick to the facts.
the left attacks whenever there is a different view
study, the history of the world and see what happens when honest people are subdued.
FrankieB
8:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
sandy moore:
what are you doing at gun shows in texas, it's not Macy's
Sandy Moore
8:57 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Your rights to own a gun does not mean you have the right to intimidate and threaten people. Many of you are posting treasonous talk. That is why they will have to take your guns and when you refuse then they will have to take them with force. The right of the people to be free from your tyranny comes before your right to threaten and intimidate the rest of us with your gun. That means your right to own a gun does not trump our rights!
You have all watched "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" to many damn times. You missed the part where their homes were pillaged and their women and children were being raped and murdered. Nobody is doing this too you. Our society is NOT primitive anymore. You are making up an invisible enemy out of fear and ignorance.
Barry Sibole
9:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
seems like the one doing the intimidating and threatening is you Sandy, my guns are not used to threaten anyone, but you threaten us with your talk of tyranny and forced confiscation of our legally purchased weapons. no the assault on our freedom is real, even if you dont see it or believe it.
Tony Wilson
9:52 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Fool you are Sandy. So, in your your mind of euphoric wisdom, what are you and your kind going to do about the criminals who have multiple millions of guns and ammunition in their possession? Maybe our current wolf in sheeps-clothing President will charm and give his ultra-bright smile to them and ask them politely to lay down their weapons and seekm his guidance of "redistribution and fair share for all". 'O what a glorious day that will be! When we all shall see the light of our current Charlatan President Pacifist for a world of utopian Socialism drenched with a Communist agenda. Why doesn't Mr Obama make the example and say, "No more armed Secret Service, CIA, and FBI to protect me and my family. Maybe he will lead by example Sandy.
jore
11:43 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
wow when did owning firearms become tryranny? And I like Braveheart and the Patriot. Their women would of been better off if they had been armed too. Treason? Humm look at Eric Holder and tell me about Treason, or Kerry, wow
REPUBLIC RISING
8:59 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
REPUBLIC RISING - Introduction
There is only One Constitutional Solution out of this mess this Criminal Gov't placed us into.
LEARN MORE:
http://intro.jointhedejurerepublic.com/index.php
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - don't like GUNS, Don't Get one.
That is your Right and your Coice, I respect that, now please respect My Right and My Choice.
FrankieB
9:00 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
when the news media shows gun owners, they show rough around the edges people.
Most licensed gun owners, are educated, proffesionals, mature, and never draw their gun because they know that once you do, it's a 3 shot, 6 inch pattern.
Sandy Moore
9:01 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Something is wrong with the tea baggers DNA. Your DNA is de-evolving as we speak.
ConserveObserve
9:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
My DNA is on my lap,...with my gun. Sleep tight Sandy. I know I will..........
TONY PETRELLO
10:19 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
And in 2014 the rest of you TEA BAG NUTS will be voted out....IF the laws on gun control cannot be changed than the DEFENDERS WILL BE CHANGED....2014 is not that far away
Charles Mitchell
9:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
It is said that Yamamoto once said, "We would never invade the United States because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass." I see so many anti-gun comments on this page stating that armed citizens of our country would be ineffective against an oppressive government and the military. They also say that would never happen. Many people buy fire insurance but never have to use it. People in New Jersey did not buy flood insurance thinking it would never happen, but guess what? Consider assault rifles insurance and the right to bear arms. As to fighting our own military, I doubt the generals and enlisted personnel would fire on their own families. Also, since there were hundreds of thousands of people who refused to fight the British, thus, a minority took up arms. The same would happen today. Can you imagine jet fighters or bombers dropping bombs on cities and towns with some citizens not willing to take up arms? Hopefully, there will never be an armed revolution unless the anti-Capitalists liberals and progressives get complete power. They are more prone to Socialism and Marxism. As Karl Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto that "the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles". It also briefly features their ideas for how the "capitalist society of the time would eventually be replaced by socialism, and then eventually communism."
Rob Lewis
9:14 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Nieves, you seem to be missing something important in your thesis. You refer to the "government" in the first person sigular as if it is some "person". The last time I checked it was comprised of three branches, of which you are (a) party to one. I'll remind you, therefore, that "you" too are the "government"...at least party to it. Are you prepared to call yourself a tyrant? Tyranny can take many forms. In this case restricting access to a particular class of highly lethal weapons would not really rise to the definition of tyranny. No more than restircting citizens access to dangerous drugs, which has been the order of the day for some number of years now. Or requiring drivers and passengers to wear seatbelts. Some things are done because they simply make sense. I live in deer hunting counrty. No one I know actually uses a fully atomatic high capasity round rifle to hunt wildlife with. But, I will suggest that they are particularly well suited for hunting people. Therein lies the problem.
Barry Sibole
9:19 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Rob,
has nothing to do with hunting, no one owns a fully automatic "highly lethal" weapon, a 22 can be lethal and some hold up to 15 rounds, will these fall in your "highly lethal weapons with high capacity magazine" catigory. Now there are several semi-automatic weapons out there that people use deer hunting, but again this has nothing to do with deer hunting. Again in America, it used to be innocent until proven guilty, but because of anti-gun fears every gun owner is guilty, and should be dis-armed. the sence of equality and fairness is funny coming from the left.
Gary S Bonds
9:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I see a constant theme in the conservative responses along the line of how we are no longer free. I submit a quote from a recent David Frumm column. (Former writer for President Bush.)
"Compare the United States of 2012 with the United States of 1962. Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.
In 1962, the government regulated the price and route of every airplane, every freight train, every truck and every merchant ship in the United States. The government regulated the price of natural gas. It regulated the interest on every checking account and the commission on every purchase or sale of stock. Owning a gold bar was a serious crime that could be prosecuted under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The top rate of income tax was 91%.
It was illegal to own a telephone. Phones had to be rented from the giant government-regulated monopoly that controlled all telecommunications in the United States. All young men were subject to the military draft and could escape only if they entered a government-approved graduate course of study. The great concern of students of American society -- of liberals such as David Riesman, of conservatives such as Russell Kirk and of radicals such as Dwight Macdonald -- was the country's stultifying, crushing conformity.
Even if you look only at the experiences of white heterosexual men, the United States of 2012 is a freer country in almost every way than the United States of 1962."
SJERSEYDEVIL9
9:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Several comments have been made about the dangers of "Many People" being armed. I spent several months in Oaklahoma City. While there my car was broken into. I called 911, police responded quickly, and told me "The reason your car was broken in to was because your from New Jersey and they know you don't carry a gun". I talked more to the officers and found that most of the people in that city are armed. Some on their person, some carry a weapon in their car, and most woman carry a pistol in their purse. I asked the officers if that presented a problem to them and they both said "People here know better than to pull a gun on a cop". I went to many places and events during the months that I was there and never felt unsafe. In New Jersey I will not go to most of the medium or large cities at night, and in many cases do not feel safe even during daylight. In New Jersey it is next to impossable for a regular citizen with no criminal or mental record to obtain a permit to carry a weapon for self protection. New Jersey has also banned many "Assault Weapons" which they cannot even properly define as to what is an "Assault Weapon"
True "Assault Weapons" have been banned for sale to the public in the united States since the 1930's, except by a very special & expensive permit which is not easy to obtain.
Marc Perez
10:11 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Oklahoma got open carry preemption State wide Nov. 1st 2012. I went down there for a few days. There are hundreds of people open carrying, there was a lot of media attention to this prior to the start. The police don't look at you twice, they know it is legal. People in Wal-mart didn't stare, it became instantly "normal". The open carriers OI met with said they get praise and thanks from the businesses they go to and the police they encounter. No one misbehaves, no one panics when the presence of a firearm on a civilian is seen. Open carry is legal in Missouri except where "municipal" Government prohibits it. Another one of those constitutional rights which has been infringed in Missouri. If you want to learn more about open carry go to www.opencarry.org go to the "forum" and then "Missouri". If you want more information on Missouri's largest discussion forum on 2 A rights: http://www.missourisportshooting.org/
Gary S Bonds
10:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
And yet you feel safe in Oklahoma City where you WERE the victim of a crime?
If they thought you might have a gun in the car might they have broken into it to steal it?
Shouldn't you be complaining about the ban on machine guns from the 30's? Or is THAT where you draw the line?
Barry Sibole
9:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
http://seanodotorg.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/hammers.jpg
More people are killed by drunk drivers, HEY WE SHOULD MAKE DRIVING DRUNK ILLEGAL, hammers are more deadly then the ar15, hmmm medical malpractice is responsible for 192k lives lost, thats ok we have obamacare to regulate that so only the old, infermed and those not worthy will die.
TONY PETRELLO
10:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Have you been stupid for a long time or is it something sudden.....GUNS HAVE ONLY ONE EFFECT....TO END LIFE BE IT HUMAN OR ANIMAL....Cars are for transportation and are not purchased to KILL PEOPLE....ANd BY THE WAY...DRUNK DRIVING IS ILLEGAL.....
jore
11:45 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Tony, killing people is illegal too, your point?
Barry Sibole
10:08 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Tony, from what ive seen and heard through most of this debate liberals are a special kind of stupid, ANYTHING can be used to kill you idiot- if a person wants to kill you they will with whatever they have. restricting law abiding citizens does nothing to deter crime, criminals dont follow the law anyway.
Doug
11:20 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Hammers are not deadlier than semi-automatic weapons? Maybe all hammers are deadlier than one specific semi-automatic weapons, but not all semi-automatic weapons.
(However, I do agree that medical malpractice is a very serious problem, and was both before and after Obamacare.)
Kitzer
9:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I am soooooo out of here!!!
WAY too many gun-totin' POS that don't have a fnbrain!!
Barry Sibole
9:41 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
glad you left the room feels smarter for it.
N.Garrett
9:45 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Liberals are the most naive individuals in America, and they are scared of their own shadow . This country is headed into socialism and bankruptsy under the present leadership . Be prepared for anarchy when the dollar collapses . And furthermore , this amendment to our Constitution needs no correction . It is clear in its intentions .Those that choose to be armed shall be permitted to be without restrictions. And you can take that to the BANK !
TONY PETRELLO
10:14 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
get mental help ASAP
beachtyper
9:46 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
why can't someone come up with an idea to help - instead of taking sides - like what if guns had 'passwords' or some other means of control w/o restricting them?
Barry Sibole
9:48 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
address crime and the criminals that would help, address those with mental illness instead of ignoring them or assuming they can function in normal situations that would help, still dont see how restricting law abiding citizens will make the mental less mental or a criminal less a criminal
dmp
10:02 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!" This was a bumper sticker I remember reading during the days of the Vietnam War. Think about it...
I believe I also heard about a town in Georgia where every household is required to own a weapon of some sort? Their crime rate is much lower than other towns in other states. As far as weapons being around the house and disturbed children obtaining them? Put them in a safe, securely locked away! THIS IS ALL ABOUT GOVERNMENTAL CONTROL! What will be next? Maybe the government will require us all to buy smaller and slower cars to prevent us from killing each other...who knows? I support the 2nd whether it's muskets or rifles!
TONY PETRELLO
10:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
When a person buys a car, it is NOT with the intent of ending life.........THAT CANNOT BE SAID ABOUT A GUN.....guns have only one effect....to end life be it animal or human
Barry Sibole
10:01 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
I cant speak for everyone else, i purchase a gun, yes for protection, hunting and because i love to shoot, i like to target practice see if i can improve my shot pattern etc.... can a gun be used to kill people yes, so can a car, a hammer, a knife, and we have seen reciently fertalizer, if a person is set out to kill someone they will find away, restricting law abiding citizens my make you feel a warm and fuzzy but it will do nothing to curb crime.
REPUBLIC RISING
10:13 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
TONY,
The only people that buy guns to KILL PEOPLE are Military, Police and CRIMINALS most Americans buy Guns to PREVENT being CRIMINALLY Killed by the 3 mentioned above - for SAFETY and to Defend Life not TAKE LIFE.
You are nto smarter than the Founding Fathers, there is nobody alive today that is even close to the worst founding father - All of CONgress and everyone employed by the Gov't put together couldn't compare as a statesman to One of The Founding Fathers in Common Sense, Honor, Integrity, Knowledge of the time or Historical.
That is hwy they wrote the Supreme Law of the Land which is only 4500 Words and today we have Criminal Bills (why are they bills because it is something teh people will Pay For) or Acts (why are they Acts? Because it is Theater and they are Acting Under Color of Law - Unconstitutionally.
That is why they wrote the 2nd Amendment wo that We The People could keep the Criminals in Gov't at bay. Not for hunting but to Abolish the Gov't if it ever became Criminal and overstepped its boundries... that time has long passed.
SOCKODOALGER will show you how far the CRIMINALS in GOV'T have crossed We The People.
Be the Knowledge and you will be free.
http://personalliberty.com/2010/04/09/sockdolager-a-tale-of-davy-crockett-charity-and-congress/
TONY PETRELLO
10:09 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I just need someone to explain to me why a weapon that can fire 100 rounds before being reloaded is needed in the private sector...What are you people protecting yourselves from, A HERD OF ROGUE ELEPHANTS....Just were do you people live...You want to own 100 guns FINE...I WANT YOU TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT GUN INSURANCE POLICIES ON EVERYONE OF THEM THAT HOLD YOU PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE, BOTH MORALLY AND FINANCIALLY FOR ANYTHING YOUR WEAPON IS INVOLVED IN.....
Ronald Rice
9:22 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Tony, your remarks are about as absurd as saying you wear a seatbelt in the car because you expect to have a wreck, or you buy a fire extinguisher because you want to put a fire out. People purchase a gun for personal protection, target practice, or for hunting. NO ONE EXCEPT A CRIMINAL PURCHASES A GUN WITH THE INTENT OF KILLING SOMEONE! A gun is simply a tool like a hammer or baseball bat used for personal protection in the vast majority of cases. If you don't have a loaded gun in your house, that is your right, but if you have a violent criminal to break in your house who will certainly be armed, what will you use to protect your family?
Marc Perez
10:12 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Why I carry a gun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuLoVaGaa3w&feature=related
Marc Perez
10:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The "Gun Free Zone": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcnE5lnPxg
dennis smith
10:21 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Interesting how many people are prepared to take up arms against the police should they try to enforce laws they don't like (say new restrictions on gun sales). So do the rest of us have the same rights? What if the government tries to put new restrictions
on abortions? Or, heaven forbid, prohibit same sex marriage?
Ron Artzer
10:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This guy is an idiot. he should not hold a political office. Why would any sane person send him even $5.00 because he made thiis stupid remark the NRA will send Him all he needs, and I am sure old Ted Nugent will take of him.Pretty awful way to get rich over a tradegy like what happened in Conn. when our fore fathers wrote the 2nd Ammendment they only had single shot muzzle loading guns. What an selfless Idiot.
AMERIKANISCH
10:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The homicide rate did not decline in the UK after it instituted gun control. In fact, armed crime SOARED.
I don't own a gun- not yet- but I definitely support gun ownership.
Hitler DID disarm the Jews.
This idea that the Founders were flawed- but big government is not- is a liberal notion that has always fascinated me.
Obviously the Founders were not perfect, but neither is big government and we have seen what big government is capable of (USSR and Nazi Germany).
Keru
11:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We need gun ownership to aid in defending our families and our neighbors [but not those who oppose gun rights! They need to put a sign on their door so we can pass them over. (o :] We need protection from government tyranny and/or enemy invasion. Our national security is insufficient; our missile defense system is ancient and falling apart, And now we have OB's untrustworthy socialistic/communistic unelected administration (and a hapless Congress). We have lots to be concerned about.
The NWO (AKA the UN) I believe is near the intermediate stage of it's preparation to take over the US -and eventually, the world. Already there are tens of thousands of UN tanks and military vehicles of every description in the US from different countries. They are sequestered in various camps like Pendelton and Bragg and isolated places. Coffins, mausoleums, concretes graves and body bags by the millions are in the US in various states, enough for millions of bodies, hundreds of boxcars with pairs of shackles on the walls and a guillotine at one end, What do you make of this?
DR Book
11:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
to SRichardson's post at 2:38 pm Sat Jan 5,2013 You can't even quote the ten commandments, let alone the 2nd Amendment. It's "Thou shall not MURDER'. God told his people to go to war many times. Also, to KILL people for various crimes such as MURDER. If you can't understand that, I'm not surprised you don't understand the 2nd either!
Dennis (Tony) Finch
11:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I agree wholly with Sen. Nieves, gun control is not about guns. I have preached this to my friends and relatives for years. I also agree that the government will not implement total while I am alive,but I'm 72. I live in northern Wisconsin and I believe most households have at least one gun, most have more. We would all fight to defend our homes from big government and to take our country back for our children and their children. God bless America Ton y Finch
Keru
11:07 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Cont: Check out the above on YouTube or Google.
Keru
11:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
What's happening in OZ since forced gun buy back is absolutely atrocious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyS3CEIbpJo
noyb
11:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Wherre does the line get drawn; perhaps citizens should be allowed to own grenade launchers? Gee why not surface to air missles? Wouldn't that make everyone safer? This guy is an idiot.
Barry Sibole
10:11 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
anti-gunners a special breed that shouldnt
Liberty Love
12:02 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
After reading the comments it is no wonder this Nation is in such grave turmoil. So many so willing to submit to tyranny without a thought. Evidently they are happy being slaves to an oppressive government, to a government that steals from the people to enhance their own lives and advance their own agendas, to a government that is lawless yet dictates laws to its subjects, to a government that promises utopia yet delivers poverty, to a government that holds true to dictatorship and that WILL STRIP THE RIGHTS OF ALL ITS SUBJECTS simply because they can, because there will be NO RESISTANCE!
Live your lives in complete dependence on and subject to a dictator but do it in another country ... the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A FREE REPUBLIC and it will remain so because of the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and because of THE PATRIOTS THAT WILL STAND AND DEFEND! And we won't be unarmed.
Crasher
12:03 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
The 2nd amendment, seen as divine by tea baggers & and other right wing extremists, is absolutely obsolete. For about the 1st century, America did have a "a well regulated militia" - citizens had pretty much the same firepower as the military. In fact, both the Revolutionary War and Civil War were started and fought by such militias. But, by the end the 1800s military weapons technology advanced far ahead of legal private weapons. Today, even if every household had a dozen AK47s, the "militia" wouldn't stand a snowball's chance against the might of the military! What's frankly bizarre and disturbing is these same people advocate putting armed guards (or even the military) in every school, every shopping mall, every movie theater, heck, every street corner, to "watch over" and "protect" us. Now that would be truly scary!!!
Barry Sibole
10:13 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Crasher, the fact you see ANY portion of the Bill of Rights obsolete speaks volumes to your ignorance. there are many other socialist/communist nations out there that would love to take your money, give you food, internet, cloths, homes and a job move there, the rest of America will do our best to remain free.
AMERIKANISCH
12:35 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
So, if you don't like the Second amendment- have it appealed.
Good luck.
By the way, the Constitution is a living document.
You don't like something
ing, then appeal it- LEGALLY.
Ray Lengvarsky
1:01 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
One of our founding father's, Benjamin Franklin said "Those who are willing to trade their liberty for the increased perception of safety, deserve nether liberty, nor safety." And I think the response King Leonidas II of Sparta, gave to the Persian army under King Xerxes, when ordered to surrender his weapons, says it best, "Molon Labe" ...which translates as "Come and take them."
Caffeinated
10:12 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
You are misquoting Franklin. The actual quote:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.—The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963).
It's also inscribed in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.
...and it was King Leonidas I that "said it best." Not II.
Barry Sibole
10:24 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Really Caffeinated? splitting hairs when he said basically the same thing, and you dont have a response because you belong in the deserve neither column dont you.
Caffeinated
10:39 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Barry, it's not splitting hairs. If one quotes something and gets the quote or the attribution wrong it speaks volumes about the ignorance of those doing the quoting.
It also says volumes that country rubes like you and Braindead Nieves find it so easy to denigrate those who disagree with invectives about intelligence when you can't even discern what it is Franklin was talking about.
By all means, continue. I think it's great that you loons are running wild. Makes the normal people see what's been fermenting in the back. :)
Barry Sibole
10:44 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Im not a loon nor running wild, we support and defend the Bill of Rights, and we are running wild, we support and defend the Constitution, you want to surrender your Rights and Freedoms knock yourself out, i will continue to defend mine.
Sandy Moore
9:46 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Crasher made an excellent point.
"What's frankly bizarre and disturbing is these same people advocate putting armed guards (or even the military) in every school, every shopping mall, every movie theater, heck, every street corner, to "watch over" and "protect" us. Now that would be truly scary!!!"
I believe the gun nuts are being used. They will be the reason Americans lose gun rights. These same nuts support laws that control our body and voted in a president that made the Patriot BIll law. We have lost privacy and body rights under the Republican Party. Sometimes I wonder about 9/11 and who was really behind it. However, a militia mentality in modern times is just madness. We are a civilized society with over population. It is suicide to even think such nonsense. Our mind is the way to freedom not violence.
Barry Sibole
10:15 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
the only point made, is the same made by every socialist that tries to remove our rights, the Constituion and the Bill of Rights are "obsolete", sorry they are the only document which holds freedom its too bad the dsp, and now the rsp keep trying to destroy it.
Barry Sibole
10:39 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
No Sandy,
the anti gun nuts are being used, i push to keep my freedom, and you push for them to come knockdown my door and take my guns, one of us is pushing for violence and its usually the socialist nut jobs, We love our freedom and will defend it, you beleive the only freedom that should be had is what you feel fuzzy about.
Eileen Tyrrell
10:51 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy, you often wonder who was really behind 9/11? Now who is sounding like a nut.
Ronald Rice
11:25 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
What is disturbing about you, Sandy, is you want to disarm all law abiding citizens while knowing full well that the criminals will be armed to the teeth and all law abiding citizens will be helpless to defend themselves from them. Outlawing guns will work just like outlawing drugs, drunk driving, murder, rape, robbery, etc. Why do you love criminals so much that you don't want them to get hurt committing a crime?
Sandy Moore
10:49 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
The gun nuts and their posts are volatile and hateful. You are afraid, angry, paranoid, and fearful. The difference between you and me, I believe intellect comes before a person suffering from all these emotions and toting a gun, too. You are all a dangerous bunch and I hope you do put up a fight when our government has to come for your guns. I don't want any of you breeding. Something is wrong with your DNA. Your DNA is de-evolving and rapidly, too. When I do post quotes, I’m not posting quotes out of context to use them to defend violence in disguise of freedom. You aren’t fooling intelligent and fair minded people. Your followers are people on the far right that are extremists just like you. Extremist should never be tolerated in modern times.
Barry Sibole
10:52 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
volatile and hateful, do you even read what you type, you are full of hate and violence you just prefer the government do it for you
Sandy Moore
10:54 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
"Im not a loon nor running wild, we support and defend the Bill of Rights, and we are running wild, we support and defend the Constitution, you want to surrender your Rights and Freedoms knock yourself out, i will continue to defend mine."
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Your talk is of what is to come. You just haven't reached your breaking point yet, or the militia hasn't brainwashed their followers enough, quite yet. Your post is a clear indication of what is to come, if enough of you get together to take action. You are a danger and a threat to democracy. Democracy is always the goal we strive toward. You have all twisted the meaning of a "Republic" for an evi agenda.
Barry Sibole
11:00 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
i am talking about defending myself and my family, thats not violent, i am defending my rights at this moment, not violent nor hateful, the talking points you type on the other hand are of violence and hate
Eileen Tyrrell
10:55 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy:
You are now really sounding like a nut. The reason we are finding no solutions in this country is due to the rhetoric; one starts and than everyone joins in.
Senator Nieves made his case very clear; absence of rhetoric. Enough said.
Caffeinated
11:01 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Nieves did make his case very clear: it's a bald-faced money grab trading in on paranoia and fear.
Eileen, tell me you're not falling for this. Do some research on this guy. You honestly think there's a grand conspiracy to besmirch him? He's a ticking timebomb and someone is going to get hurt.
Backgammon
10:55 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy, your comments lend themselves to the fact that you are the volatile, hateful, angry person who is paranoid about guns. Perhaps you should educate yourself and seek conseling for your anger about a Constitutional Right. Your narrow minded views should not be tolerated in society.
Sandy Moore
11:10 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Backgammon,
Now that is funny considering I'm not the one toting a gun and defending my rights with it.
Barry Sibole
11:15 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy,
I have yet to see anyone "toting a gun and defending my rights with it", everyone on here is defending their rights in one form or another i and others are defending our fredom, at this point through freedom of speech, you are defending your right to be the victim really stupid but that is your freedom to do so.
Sandy Moore
11:04 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
We don't know anything with certainty. Our government has never told us everything. I am open minded to what is going on in the world. I don't believe we are always good, or that Israel is always good. I don't believe the Bible is the perfect word of God. People like you believe in a book of fables. I don't believe toting a gun and threatening violence is the answer. It is man's intellect that moved us from a primitive society to a more evolved society. I do believe focusing on one set of beliefs when confusion and contradictions exist is very dangerous.
Sandy Moore
11:14 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
The Republican lawmakers are getting rich off of the gun industry. They are laughing all the way to the bank. They will be laughing surrounded by their wealth and security while the rest of us fend. They know that once you all go crazy they will have to enforce strict gun laws. I think this is the goal. I do think many of these Republican lawmakers are nuts, though.
Doug
11:24 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
ditto
Sandy Moore
11:19 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
I absolutely hate. The difference, I'm not buying up guns and talking of treasonous actions. I couldn't stand George Bush but I never engaged in treasonous talk. I am very in-touch with my emotions. I know why I feel the way I do. It is in understanding our anger and constructively and productively dealing with it is the difference between you and me.
Doug
11:23 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
So if the dollar loses value the US is in danger of collapse and we all need an AR-15 in our closet as protection. You are scaring ignorant people into sending you campaign contributions.
Barry Sibole
11:29 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Doug, the dollar is losing its value, and with the fed printing more and more everyday it will continue, there are two ways to enslave a nation one is by the sword the other is by debt, and at 16 trillion in debt we know which one dc is using
Sandy Moore
11:26 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
You are all on the way to becoming the very thing that you fear. That is what paranoia does to people. I absolutely should fear “you” and those like you. My fear is justified; yours is not.
Barry Sibole
11:33 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
I am on my way to becoming an overreaching tyrannical government? who would have thought, i figured i was too poor to be a corrupt politician.
Ronald Rice
11:42 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy, you say we are paranoid, I say you are wrong, and I can prove it. Show me a school where the teachers are armed (and there are quite a few), and I'll show you a school where there is no psycho going to kill innocent children. If guns are the problem, why does the President have armed Secret Service agents around him? Is he paranoid? How about the mayor of New York? He hates guns, but he surrounds himself with armed bodyguards. Is he paranoid? How is he better than I? I believe I am more emotionally stable than the two of them combined. Why can't I protect myself the same as they? If they really thought guns were the problem, then they should get rid of all their armed guards and go without any protection completely. Oh, wait. They are afraid of a violent criminal action against them. Duh! HYPOCRITES ALL!!!
Backgammon
11:39 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
You MUST be a Liberal.
Sandy Moore
11:45 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
"I am on my way to becoming an overreaching tyrannical government? who would have thought, i figured i was too poor to be a corrupt politician."
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All tyrants start somewhere. All criminals commit their first crime. Self inflated egos with a gun in one hand and pointing fingers with the other is how it all starts. What is to say you will stay good and/or remain sane? If man could be trusted to govern himself we wouldn't have had gun laws enacted in the first place. The KKK and unions started out with good intentions. Also, before you point out the KKK was originally democrat, also note, political platforms have changed. Also, Republicans have unions, too. They aren't attacking police and fire-fighter unions. The narrow thinking and twisting truths has become a far right theme. Even Republican scholars wanted the book of Barton lies removed. This revisionist and indoctrination movement from the Tea Party is dangerous and has done nothing but divide our nation.
Barry Sibole
12:06 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Good thing im not a politician, KKK started with "good intentions" LOL, now you have just proven you are a nut, unions were a good idea and had their time now they are just politicial strongarms of a socialist agenda. the kkk was started by democrats and facilitated by democrats, while republicans are in unions, they are majority democrat. BTW just to clear things up im too poor to be a republican but never dumb enough to be a democrat. i view BOTH parties as our problem in America.
Ronald Rice
11:59 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Gun laws are about as stupid as hate crime laws. Only Liberals can conceive of such stupidity. Murder and violence is already against the law, and they think if you attach a "gun", or "hate" to a crime it will make the criminal think twice about murder or violence! Give me a break. It's like putting a stop light at an intersection, and then a sign to say "you had better stop when the light is red or you will be sorry". Stupid redundancy at the very least.
Backgammon
1:33 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Here is the gun control law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcnE5lnPxg
Hansek Palet
2:57 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Whew, been trying to log on this site for the past 48 hrs and finally had to re-register myself. Not sure if a technicality prevented me from using my freedom of speech or something else. I know for sure a gun would not have helped here (just kidding !!!)
Somebody mentioned the Mujahideen overpowering the Soviets. No prizes for answering who was equipping the Mujahideen in their own country ? And how they repaid the favor.
So we have FULL FAITH that the US Military force will not turn on its people (like the army of Iraq or Pakistan might). Do you know why ? Because we have a Democratically elected government that is answerable to both the Civilian Society that put them there and the judiciary. The Founding Fathers put in a LOT of thought and checks and balances in place.
The difference between Progressives/ Liberals and a few folks on the far right is that we believe in a lot more of the Constitution than just one Amendment. And even in the verbiage of that Amendment, I see the Founding Fathers' Prime Directive being "the security of a free State". That security having been compromised tragically way too often this past year.
REPUBLIC RISING
7:21 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Too bad it wasn't sandy Moore, instead of you, who had login problems...
When the founders talked about the "free state" they were talking about the People, we are the free state (estates).
That "democratically" elected Criminal Gov't that answers to the people how is it working out for you on getting stuck with the bill to pay for over 16 Triilion$?
How exactly are they answering to the people and the judiciary?
http://intro.jointhedejurerepublic.com/index.php
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - don't like GUNS, Don't Get one.
That is your Right and your Coice, I respect that, now please respect My Right and My Choice.
Julie Brown Patton
3:11 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Hansek Palet: Sorry there were any issues with logging in; nothing deliberately was done from the Patch end. Sometimes, different types of security software prompts changes or challenges, particularly after an automated update.
Hansek Palet
7:34 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Thanks Julie. Appears my log in problems are now resolved. Could well have been problems with my email service provider. All is well now ! :-)
REPUBLIC RISING
7:09 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Sandy More, please give it a break we want Less not More from you.
Go visit someone, or go out for breakfast, back away from the Propaganda Mindless for awhile - you are becoming incoherent and mixing your arguments.
Take a much needed break.
http://intro.jointhedejurerepublic.com/index.php
I'm PRO CHOICE ON GUNS - don't like GUNS, Don't Get one.
That is your Right and your Coice, I respect that, now please respect My Right and My Choice.
a citizen
7:55 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013
Less talk. That isn't stopping the anti-Constitution crowd.
theirondude
5:43 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
What about the invaision taking place on our southern boarder? And this is not about illeagal immigration but about the drug cartels that are manned by ex mexican military. There have been more than 300 documented illegal excursions into the US by mexican military ( google it ) and all of the past administrations have done nothing about it. China and Russia have publicly announced, on the world stage that they will declare war on America if the US attacks Iran over Iran's neuclear weapons... it is an unstable world we live in... not a time to beat our sowrds into plowshares.
Larry Lazar
8:32 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
I wrote the following response to Senator Nieves in this blog post was published today.
http://eureka-wildwood.patch.com/blog_posts/response-to-senator-brian-nieves-on-gun-laws
mike westman
10:51 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
remarkable Larry....could have not said it better....I doubt that anyone could have
Larry Lazar
11:10 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
Thank you Mike
Would you mind responding directly to my post? I'm sure there will be plenty of negative comments in response and a positive comment or two would certainly help offset the negatives. Thanks for your support.
Sandy Moore
11:27 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
The KKK did not start out as a racist movement. They visited homes of men that beat their wives and intimidated them. They burned flags, carried guns, and wore costumes as a means to intimidate. It worked without violence, at first. They scared the beejesus out of these abusers. Ordinary citizens were taking the law intot their own hands. When that happens it does not end well. Again, political platforms change. The south was Democrat then, too. The Tea Party is the new face of the KKK and you and I know it. You want to intimidate and with CHL's in public, too. I am a southerner and I am ashamed of all of you. Disgusting and de-evolving monsters.
Almost all police and firefighter unions are Republican. Why aren't Republicans going after their own unions? Hypocrites!
Harvey Wysong
1:35 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
JB displays an appalling lack of understanding of resistance tactics . . . and reaches the inevitably erroneous conclusions. He seems to believe that a confrontation between the government and the citizenry would resemble the battles that occurred at Concord and Lexington when the British tried to disarm the colonists.
Having a militia take to the field against government forces that are armed with the most sophisticated weaponry on earth is not the way that a resistance movement would fight in the event that Government oppression finally exceeds the endurance of the American people.
How determined to enforce oppressive laws would the government agents be, if their families started dying of ballistic lead poisoning? What would happen if the key local political leaders began dying of the same disease? What would happen if the CEOs of the major news organizations and their families began to die of unnatural causes? What if Members of Congress could no longer show their faces in public? What if they were no longer safe going out for dinner and drinks to their fancy restaurants? No longer safe at their country clubs? What if the local police could no longer leave their families unprotected? What if the police could no longer appear in uniform without becoming sniper bait? What if it was not safe for a judge to drive between his home and the courthouse? What if there were an open season on all government law enforcement agents?
Harvey Wysong
1:38 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
And firearms are not the only weapon available to people. There is the ever-popular Molotov cocktail. There are ANFO explosives available to anyone. Government vehicles (like police cars) could be sabotaged with sugar in the gas, bringing operations to a crawl. Propane tanks opened inside a government building would cause a terrible explosion. Fires set at various locations could cause chaos that could be exploited.
But are there indications that such tactics will ever be necessary and justified in the United States? Well, just do some research into the nature of the raids conducted by the IRS, ATF, DEA, Department of Agriculture, FDA, and EPA (just to name a few of the most prominent offenders). Their agents have no respect for the Constitutional rights of the people at whom they are pointing fully-automatic weapons and no regard for the oath they took to support and defend the Constitution. Have you ever heard of a law enforcement officer refusing an order, because it was unconstitutional?
Ninety percent of the people who work for our Government would work for any government. They will do anything they are told to do.
In the words of Satchel Paige, "If you don't change your direction, you'll wind up where you're heading."
Larry Lazar
1:48 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
My neighbor is a cop for the city police, my mother used to work for social services, my cousin works for the IRS, my friend is in the ATF and my brother is in the DNR. The last time I checked with each of them, they all are good, responsible citizens - and they respect the Constitution.
What, exactly, are you suggesting about my friends, neighbors and family members that work for our government?
Harvey Wysong
5:02 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
To Larry Lazar:
You don't seem to be very perceptive. I didn't mention your mother. Don't know her. Nor the other anonyms.
Ask your friend the cop if he or any of his pals have ever refused an order because it was unconstitutional. I'll bet he'll tell you that he and his pals have never received an unconstitutional order.
Ask your IRS cousin if he/she has ever witnessed a violation of a citizen's constitutional rights. And ask if he/she ever filed a complaint against the violator.
Ditto for your friend in the ATF.
Given your associations, your posts on this forum are hardly surprising. You need to trade up.
Larry Lazar
5:08 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
"You don't seem to be very perceptive"
I suspect we have different sources for information, so perhaps you are right.
Please tell me what you are suggesting we should do with our police, firemen, social workers, EPA and DNR workers, National Park employees, soldiers and the millons of other citizens who are employed by govt, including Senator Nieves?.
Barry Sibole
6:15 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
DNR, has jailed a daughter and father for moving dirt on their own land, because of the dnr and dept of ag. over reaching government.
ATF, killed a family at Ruby Ridge and men women and CHILDREN in Waco.
IRS, HA, speaks for itself.
Larry Lazar
6:20 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
"DNR, has jailed a daughter and father for moving dirt on their own land, because of the dnr and dept of ag. over reaching government."
My brother works for the DNR. He conducts Salmon counts in Alaska and works on stream improvement projects. The salmon fisherman there depend on his work and benefit financially from his work. .
ATF, killed a family at Ruby Ridge and men women and CHILDREN in Waco.
IRS, HA, speaks for itself.
My friend works for the ATF. He tracks down illegal guns and gun transactions - which helps prevent illegal weapons get in the hands of known criminals.
What exactly are you suggesting again?
Barry Sibole
6:27 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Im not sugesting anything and im not going to get into a tit for tat conversation about who is good and who isnt, im sure the people you know are good people but they work for a bunch atf, dnr irs who are not good. graves throughout europe are filled with people "only following orders"
Harvey Wysong
6:41 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Larry Lazar asked, "Please tell me what you are suggesting we should do with our police, firemen, social workers, EPA and DNR workers, National Park employees, soldiers and the millons of other citizens w