Banning Big Sodas: Too Much Government?
New York City is considering a measure to ban the sale of giant sugary sodas at movie theaters and other public venues. Good for health? Bad for government?
With Missouri ranked as the 11th most obese state in the nation in a study published about a year ago, we thought it would be worth a discussion about a ban on giant sugary soda sales in New York City.
If New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has his way, that's what's coming next to your favorite five-borough restaurant, movie theater or street vendor.
The mayor plans to eliminate the sale of sugary drinks larger than 16 fluid ounces in each of those places in an "ambitious" effort to combat obesity, The New York Times reported last week.
“New York City is not about wringing your hands; it’s about doing something,” Bloomberg told the paper.
Exemptions, such as for diet drinks and sales in supermarkets, are expected to be part of the new law, eyed for spring 2013, according to the Times.
It would mark the first such ban in the country, but follows the mayor's successful efforts to ban trans fats and curb public smoking.
The New York City Beverage Association is certainly not thrilled.
Does Missouri need to consider something similar to combat the rotund waistlines? Is this nanny-state-gone-mad or nice job Bloomie?
Paul James
7:47 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
An absurd and offensive example of government overreach. In addition, an action that will have zero effect on obesity. A true leader would have proposed a severe limit on the types of foods permitted to be purchased with food stamps. An outstanding leader would stop trying to create a nanny state. More made-up government regulations equals more bloated government with more government employees justifying their existence by standing on the necks of free enterprise and true job producing businesses.
Robyn K.
8:58 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Ok. So the mayor does not propose banning super size diet sodas, just the regular "sugary" ones. Well that certainly makes sense to go ahead and "allow" everyone to load up on Aspartame which, everyone knows, is so much better for you and is key in preventing obesity! NOT!!!
Stay out of our private lives Mr. Mayor and do the job you were elected to do and that does not include policing what people eat and drink.
Julie Betlach
9:07 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
The problem here is that the government isn't going far enough. We need them to ration our entire day's meal, as well as requiring us to do manual labor for a few hours each day! Just think how sweet that would be... sure, a little like a prison, but we'd all be fit, right?
Margaret Poynter
9:17 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Obviously a large number of Americans cannot control their intake, and those that can pay higher insurance premiums because of the diseases associated with obesity. Take control or let a small governmental nudge help you from destroying your health.
Jay Buck
9:28 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Margaret makes a lot of sense. We just got back from a trip down South and I was amazed at the size of many of the people down there. Hopefully it won't take government action to make us do what we should already be doing. (See cigarettes)
Chris Charboneau
10:39 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Sorry Marge, this is America. Or it WAS....
FedUpVet
2:09 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
It's not America anymore. It's turning into Amerika with a hammer and a sickle for the last three and a half years with untold and uncountable government regulations being shoved down our throats (among other places). This is no longer the "land of the free."
Kevin Lane
9:30 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Marge, this is about your rights, not obesity. It won't help obesity. The "Diet" drinks that are 10x worse for you, AND your diet, are being left alone. Aspartame is poison.
1) "Anytime the government wants to 'save' you, or 'protect' you, first you won't recieve any 'real' help, (like raising the minimum wage, which results in forced inflation & price increases for everyone, which means you didn't help anyone, but hurt everyone. And you'll have to do it again next year) AND you will pay for it with you freedoms."
2) "Never let the camel get his nose into the tent, rest assured, you'll soon end up with the whole camel in the tent."
Perfect Examples:
1) Telling you what products you CAN or CAN'T purchase (like this), or
2) FORCING you to buy a product for your entire life (like health insurance, which nearly everyone had before the government taxed away the ability to either provide it or buy it).
Anybody defending this is not thinking it through. Like the rock & roll, rebel, anarchist, Red Hot Chili Peppers doing a benefit for a President that wants bigger government, and more government control of your personal life. How is that Rock & Roll? Or Rebellion?
Like Margaret here, who seems like a nice enough person, but I wonder if she can explain why these believe "it's a woman's choice what she does with her body", but somehow THIS is non-intrusive.
This is just hint of what will happen with "Universal" (Marxist) healthcare. This is a BIG door to open. I'm against it.
Kevin Lane
10:38 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
PS- Bloomberg isn't 'saving' anyone, he's attacking them. You should have the right to order hemloch if you want. If this were about obesity & this tool was actually somehow more capable of making wiser decisions than we are, he would have banned the drinks that actually cause obesity. Start with diet drinks & products like Aspertame. You can work off sugar, but the weight added by Aspertame (which ALL diet soda contains) is nearly impossible to lose. People keep drinking it because it says "Diet" on it. (Try telling someone their 'diet drink' is making them fatter, see what response you get.) They're trying to drink healthier products, but they only gain weight, just like Bloomberg wants. If people keep gaining weight, he can keep making new laws. Many people will think it's a great idea, giving no thought to a result that only leads to a 'need' for more government interference & control.
If we keep allowing this, they will keep slipping more of these laws past people who can't see this for what it really is. We have proof the government can't fix everything for us, the last 20 years proves that. We've not only seen that we can't trust them to fix it, but us even allowing them to try, is the very reason there is so much still needing fixed.
Housing, Banking, Education, the Economy, Business/Unemployment, Healthcare, Foreign Trade, Tax Codes, Racism/Segregationism -ALL of these things are all screwed up because we keep allowing these "Bloombergs" to try to fix them for us.
Devon Seddon
4:06 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
"Small Governmental Nudge"?
Maybe you need the government to coddle you & make all your decisions for you, the rest of us have a brain.
It's funny how ALL WEEK, we were talking about "my body, my right". Where did that go?
Melinda Pennington
10:03 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Just put a bullet in our foreheads and let's call it a day. What happened to the word "freedom"? If people want to eat foods that are bad for them, let them, they are going to anyways.
Margaret Poynter
11:00 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Unfortunately some overweight people are so very unhappy that the bullet to the head is sadly possible. Perhaps a bullet to the heart may be a better description of their doom.
Rich Pope
11:02 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Women want the right to have complete control of their bodies when aborting a fetus. But they don't have enough control of their own bodies to drink a 64 ounce soda???
Carla
12:23 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
How did this become just about women? I've seen plenty of men drink sodas that big. I've also seen many men come in to the grocery store and by a twelve pack (or larger) of beer every day. You don't think that causes weight gain?
Margaret Poynter
12:08 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
I'll have a 12 ounce soda with a shot of stem cells please.
Jay Buck
12:55 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Freedom’s not absolute. What rights in the Constitution are absolute? There is no right to absolute freedom. There are limitations. You might want to say the same thing about a whole variety of other things that are on the Internet — “let everybody have it, let everybody do it.” No. There are certain things that actually do cost people a lot of money, cost them their lives, cost them their fortunes that we shouldn’t have and make available, to make it that easy to do.
CSloan
2:20 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Exactly. Your "God given right" to kill yourself ends when it affects others. Joe Blow's "right" to be fat means we all pay higher insurance premiums, wait longer to see doctors, and cover for Joe at work when he's out with his obesity-related illness du jour.
Like Mr. Tate says below, I have a tough time understanding why anyone would want to drink a HALF GALLON of anything. Somehow we've come to a place where that seems reasonable, so soda is probably just a small part of the American weight problem. I think the Mayor recognizes this and is using the issue to start a conversation. If this kind of legislation seems ridiculous, so does drinking from a "cup" you could also bathe in in a pinch.
David Altman
1:06 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Since over one third of Americans are now obese with that number growing, those who cannot control their weight seem to need a "nanny state" since they are obviously not able, responsible, or educated enough adults to take control themselves and their health which affects us all in ever growing, out of control health insurance premiums from weight related diseases including diabetes and heart.
Jim Fowler
1:37 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
I think the Mayor picked the wrong liquid to restrict. If the Mayor of New York wants to do something that will help the health of New Yorkers he might impose a total ban of alcohol. I'm sure many wives and children of all the abusive alcoholics would be thankful to receive fewer beatings at the hands of their drunken husbands. Think about how many fewer auto accidents there would be and how many fewer missed workdays there would be. But no, he is worried about soda pop. What an idiot.
Sara S.
3:25 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
I agree that Bloomberg is off base with this initiative, but YOU are an idiot if you're actually suggesting we return to a ban on alcohol. Everyone knows Prohibition was a complete failure..
Carlos Restrepo
2:09 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
I think that instead of banning a product they should try to promote healthier choices. I don't understand why in the U.S. natural juices are so darn expensive while soda is dirt cheap--it was the other way around where I am from.
David Altman
2:19 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
FYI: Contrary to what food companies promote, packaged natural juice drinks including OJ are almost just as bad as soda as far as concentrated sugar calories go.
Sara S.
4:02 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
It's not just the sugar that makes orange juice bad for you...The food companies add all kinds of flavoring and preservatives to it. Each brand has a specific flavor that has been researched for consumer preference.
Mel Hall
2:56 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
The mayor is obviously not at all concerned about the environmental impact of such an intrusive regulation. The customer who wants a 32 oz soda will simply buy two 16 oz sodas. For every cup and straw that wastes, the cost goes up for the seller and the buyer, and that many more cups/bottle/containers must be shipped and disposed of in our already overflowing landfills. Folks that want to drink that much soda will still do so and the rest of the population will suffer the results.
David Altman
3:05 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
I doubt the buyers of banned 32 oz sodas will decide to buy/carry around two 16 oz sodas with less convenience and higher price. If they are that thirsty, they could save
their money and health by buying a refillable bottle with water and ice from either home or restaurant.
Mel Hall
3:49 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
David - I doubt that the ones buying huge sodas will drink water instead - that's the problem in a nutshell. They may not buy 2 at a time, but will probably still buy them separately. Of course they should save their health and money by drinking water from home in a bottle they saved, but realistically that is not likely to happen. As far as bottled water goes, it is horrible for the environment as well - what's wrong with tap water? Mine tastes fine. Personally, I drink water all day from an insulated 32 oz cup that I wash each morning for that purpose. But I digress.....point being it's none of the government's business how much or in what size folks drink soda. And I bet if it passes NY WILL see an incease in their trash volume.
Rich Pope
3:43 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
If I can't buy a 32 ounce soda, I'm going to buy two 16 ounce sodas. That's twice the trash (two lids, two straws, two cups). Did the mayor consider this?
Earl Higgins
4:31 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
If the government can ban something as harmless as marijuana, then certainly they can then something that is actually harmful like GINORMOUS sugared drinks. Thanks for standing up for what's right, Mayor Bloomberg!
ward y
8:26 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Thats allright,keep suppressing peoples rights and there will be a revolution sooner than later.
William Rapp
8:48 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Here's a bit of wisdom a well known author extolled in the 1950s;
The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man's rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man's self-denfense, and as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protecter to the role of man's deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the weilding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his.
Ayn Rand circa 1957
Rahib
12:27 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
If Ayn Rand is against gov't forcing us to do something why are Rand followers so Pro-Life and not Pro-Choice?
Because they are all about freedom as long as it's in line with their concept of freedom.
Phil Gonzalez
9:29 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Michael Bloomberg is an idiot. Hitler told people what, when and how much they could eat. Way to go Bloomberg. You're up there with Hitler in taking away the rights of people.
Wendy S.
9:43 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
What is wrong with Mayor Bloomberg?!?!?! Does he not have other more pressing issues to address than obesity and the size of sodas being sold?!?!?! What's next ... a rationing of donuts, cookies, candy, etc. ... the list could go on and on!!!! I'm not even sure what country this is anymore!!! It's certainly not the America I knew as a child growing up!!!
Greg S
11:15 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
This is a terrible idea. Where does it stop? Too much sun is bad for you. Next the government will want to ban swimsuits or restrict what clothing we can wear. Why don't we all just line up for our daily ration of MREs. NO SOUP FOR YOU!
Jean Whitney
3:19 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
I'm not endorsing the ban of biggies, but I can see the benefit in trying to move habits in the direction of smaller portions, for health reasons. Other nations I've lived in had smaller sized servings, and I don't remember feeling thirsty all the time, or angry about it.
Margaret Poynter
8:16 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Ms. Whitney, do you also recall in other nations that the majority of overweight people were American tourisrs? It is a harsh reality.
FedUpVet
8:44 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Not to worry folks...............New York will soon start a "soda happy hour" which will probably be valid for 23 hours a day and spread to the rest of the country. Buy one 16 oz soda and get another for free! The American Entrepreneur will find a way around this!
Andy Gross
8:54 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
America continues to develop into a country where many do not accept responsibility for their actions. It is easier to blame someone else than to accept the consequences of our actions. I don't want the government telling me how much soda I can buy at one time, and I rarely drink any type of soda. I understand the concern about obesity and the costs associated therewith, but "outlawing" large soft drinks is an example of extreme government overreach.
Tom Cooper
12:24 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
For the people who want to impute the evils of big government in restrictions like this, I suggest they trace the government evil to its actual source.Maybe if the United States didn't have such huge agricultural subsidies for the corn producing industry, which feeds the high fructose corn syrup industry, these kinds of sodas could not be produced so profitably. Much of the obesity epidemic is directly traceable to government artificially propping up what is a largely an unprofitable enterprise--growing corn.
Sara S.
4:21 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
I am surprised you are the only one to have mentioned corn subsidies in this discussion. I couldn't agree more!
Tom Cooper
7:21 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Sara--Most people don't know. And the government likes it that way. They can keep their corn belt constituents happy with massive infusions of taxpayer money, and our children pay the price in rapidly declining health.
Edward Tate
12:35 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
How in the world did the desire for such huge quantities of soda happen? Is marketing so effective that it so easily induces the masses to overindulge? Consuming one 64 oz portion of soda a day equals 325 pounds of sugar intake in one year. What happened to moderation?
When I was younger, an occasional soda was considered a treat. At that time, most sodas were bottled in 6 or 6 1/2 oz portions. After drinking our 6 oz treat, we would have never considered following it up with 9 or 10 more!
I would hope that if the medical and dental problems associated with excessive sugar intake could be imbedded in our youth at an early age, we could begin to see a more healthy society.
Jean Whitney
1:58 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Mr. Tate—I would SPLIT a bottle of soda with my father (at home) as a kid, when 16-oz bottles came out, since a whole bottle seemed like a lot for either of us! So I guess it is marketing.
Sensible? I think so
10:24 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Good question. My guess is that it isn't so much marketing as it is the Typical American Desire for Bigger and Cheaper, regardless of consequences. That's encouraged by marketing but I think there's more to it. The agricultural subsidies mentioned by Tom are a huge force. And so is the resistance to revisit such decisions, including the lobbies that make the decisions effectively permanent. And so is the unbridled profit motive when prices don't reflect true costs. That gets to what I suspect might be the real goal here: a sugar tax.
Elizabeth O'Fallon
7:38 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Should people eat/drink healthy? Absolutely. Should the government force them to do so? Absolutely not. As a mom, I take responsibility for myself and for my family and for what we eat. I am also the person who makes sure we get enough exercise by encouraging my kids to go for a bike ride a family walk, etc. As a family we believe in eating all foods in moderation. Is eating chocolate cake or drinking soda every day good for you? No. Is enjoying it occasionally detrimental to your health? No. Obviously the healthier you eat the healthier you will be, but what ever happened to that old fashioned idea of personal responsibility?
Andy Gross
8:14 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
I understand that we as a society pay more in health insurance for those who choose to eat poorly and not take responsibility for their health. However, I cannot get past the idea that government is overstepping its bounds.
David Altman
1:31 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
How is this any different than seatbelt and helmut laws or are those against soda ban also against these safety laws?
Kevin Lane
12:11 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Yep, disagree with all of 'em. The government isn't & was never intended to be responsible for my decisions. Or yours. If I don't wear a seatbelt, they don't fly through the window, I do. If somone wants to drink enough soda to get fat, fine, let them pay for their own health issues. Can't afford health insurance? Drink fewer sodas, that should help you save up. Forward is accountability, responsibility & evolution. Why the constant push for us all to just devolve into dependence?
Our government can't even get itself in line. Why do we always think they are the handyman when they break everything they touch? Housing, Banking, Education...
Paradigm shift, what happens if you don't wear your seatbelt? You pay the government. What about a helmet? Same thing. Same for nearly every one of these kinds of laws.
Is paying a fine really more of a deterrent than what could happen if you don't wear a seatbelt or helmet? No but they get money.
What about these?
Could they make car makers build cars that won't go into gear until the belts are fastened? Or cars that won't start when they sense alcohol? Or a cellphone (which all have GPS) that won't allow texting if it's moving faster than 5 MPH? Of course they could. Would it save more lives than fines, or DWI Checkpoints? By light-years! Then why don't they do that? There are tons of simple alternatives.
It's seems clear that no matter how much they tell us otherwise, saving lives is a DISTANT 2nd to finding a new source of revenue.
ward y
10:27 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
kevin lane,great answer!
Sara S.
10:25 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
This is similar to seatbelt and helmet laws...but just because those laws make sense, doesn't meant I haven't personally questioned whether they should exist. Helmet laws do not even exist everywhere (Chicago comes to mind).
David Altman
12:32 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Concerning the proposed idea that fat people pay more for health care ... Found this in the NY Times:
The question of personal responsibility, ends up being more complicated than it may seem.
Parents are working longer, and takeout meals have become a default dinner. Gym classes have been cut. The real price of soda has fallen 33 percent over the last three decades. The real price of fruit and vegetables has risen more than 40 percent.
The solutions to these problems are beyond the control of any individual. They involve a different sort of responsibility: civic — even political — responsibility. They depend on the kind of collective action that helped cut smoking rates nearly in half. Anyone who smoked in an elementary-school hallway today would be thrown out of the building. But [until recently with new regulations] if you served an obesity-inducing, federally financed meal to a kindergartner, you would fit right in.
[Taxing fat people idea] may have its problems. The obvious one is its severity. The more important one is probably its narrowness: not even one of the nation’s most prestigious hospitals can do much to reduce obesity. The government, however, can. And that is the great virtue of [the] idea.
Acknowledging that any effort to attack obesity will inevitably involve making value judgments and even limiting people’s choices. Most of the time, the government has no business doing such things. But there is really no other way to cure an epidemic.
Kevin Lane
2:22 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Yes there is, there are a THOUSAND different ways. What are the reasons for the 33 & 40%? Start there. Start with aspertame, a fat-hoarding poison that can be found EVERYWHERE they try to limit sugar. There are tons of options that would work better than getting the government involved, which is always "more complicated than it seems".
My suggestion was not that fat people pay more, my suggestion was that everyone pay for his OWN healthcare, it's the only way to promote responsibility, accountability, and incentive. You & I paying for it provides NONE of that.
Rahib
12:23 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
I wonder how many people that are in favor of smoking bans are against a soda ban. As a smoker, I knew this sort of thing would eventually come up and I tell the anti-smokers that gov't will go after something they like . . . then they'll know how much freedom the really have.
Howard Roark
12:36 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
There's a distinction to be made between a person sitting in proximity to someone smoking a cigarette, and to someone drinking a Big Gulp. To find equivalency between the two means you're either stupid or being obtuse.
I'm all for you smoking as much as you want, just don't do it near me and don't expect me to pick up your medical tab.
Elizabeth
2:35 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
That's the rub isn't it Roark? We are all paying for each others health costs and it opened Pandora's box. Now we have our noses in each others business. No smoking, no sugared drinks, you've had too much salt, no baby formula for you. etc., etc. We've given up so many simple freedoms for a false sense of security. Although, I'm not exactly sure what security people think we've gained. I'm mean, am I going to have a happier, longer life if my neighbor isn't allowed to get big gulps? If I want to eat an oreo, is that really going to hurt the mailman? It wouldn't matter if the whole nation became vegetarians and exercised 2 hours a day religiously. Even if the whole world maintained a perfect BMI it isn't going to to change the fact that the number one cause of death is being born.
PaulRevere
2:49 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Rahib:
This is NOT a Soda Ban.
It is a Size Ban.
There is a big difference.
No one has Banned smoking. It's where you can smoke.
Howard Roark
3:14 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
"We are all paying for each others health costs and it opened Pandora's box"
You can also argue that restricting smoking is a Pandora's box as Rahib seems to suggest. Why ban pot and not alcohol? Science? No...
Look, this can be argued until we're blue in the face but the reality is that Bloomberg's ban on selling Big Gulps in certain establishments for certain types of drinks in New York City will have no impact in St. Louis, nor will it likely last in NYC.
It's a cannard that incites page hits.
Elizabeth
2:14 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
What if, instead of government dictates on what you CAN'T do, we tried positive reinforcement, like you get big discounts for staying fit. Lower sales tax on raw fruits and veggies? When you make something be considered "off limits" it just makes people rebel and do the very thing you don't want them to do. Make the emphasis be on the good instead of the bad.
RDBet
2:43 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Yeah, opinion is virtually unanimous. Regulating soda size is a ridiculous idea
(see, we can agree on something :).
There are so many poor diet and snack choices -and big sodas are just one of them. It's impossible and counterproductive to regulate.
Perhaps the extent of what the government can or should do is try to get some or better labeling on those big cups. It costs very little do that calories, sugar, and % of daily intake for that serving size.
Granted, labels will have limited affect and may just drive people to drink giant diet sodas -which isn't exactly healthy either (some study shows diet soda drinkers have more obesity problems than regular soda drinkers.) -perhaps some diet soda warnings. I don't know...it all may be a wasted effort.
PaulRevere
2:45 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Elizabeth:
ooh! You used that phrase "Government Dictates". That is not what any country needs.
The people should "dictate" on everything ----not the Government.
All of our laws come "From the People". The congress (Government) or State only approves what the people want.
Elizabeth
5:17 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Roark - "will have no impact in St. Louis"
I disagree Roark, I'm not sure if you noticed but many of the new laws we have in the area are a direct result of "X put a regulation in place, maybe we should too". Case in point the prescription requirement on the OTC drugs. One of the arguments was that other counties had already done it. The smoking ban...the same thing. There seems to be a standard for passing laws called "everyone else is doing it" If you want a big scale example, the ACA was repeatedly sold on the concept that other nations have a national healthcare plan. Granted what was ultimately passed is different, but you get the idea.
PaulRevere
2:39 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
People!
It's the "SIZE" of Government that All Americans must get rid of.
Not the size of soda.
There is a difference in Banning the Size of a product vs. Banning The Product.
Gee! I wonder if a man/woman sexual relations could be next in Limiting the SIZE OF P_ _ _ _.
RDBet
2:48 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
You're a riot.