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Don't Feed Bambi in Wildwood

TAKE POLL: Feeding of wildlife, including migratory fowl and deer, may be prohibited in Wildwood in the future. But some city councilmembers fear the proposed ordinance will pit neighbors against neighbors.

  • Do you think Wildwood residents should be allowed to feed deer?

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    • Yes
        7 (70%)
    • No
        3 (30%)
    Total votes: 10
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Smack in the middle of all the green space in which Wildwood residents pride themselves, deer are multiplying again. More deer need more to eat. And some Wildwoodians disagree about whether the deer food source should include cracked corn, salt blocks and roughage provided by humans.

Ryan Thomas, Wildwood director of public works, said the Missouri Department of Conservation (MDC) representative who met with the city's Public Safety and Adminstration/Public Works committee members earlier this year recommended having such a non-feeding law.

He said MDC officials consider no-feeding rules as a secondary form of wildlife management. "Increased days of hunting didn't translate into more deer harvested," he said.

Wildwood resident and city Planning and Zoning commissioner Fran Gragnani addressed Wildwood city councilmembers at the Oct. 8 meeting, saying when people move to an area, such as Wildwood, they have to expect all kinds of wild animals. "I don't understand why and how we would prevent them from feeding," she said. "All we're trying to do with this is to pit one neighbor against another one. It doesn't seem reasonable to me."

Another Wildwood resident, Ron Beasley, agreed at the meeting when he also addressed councilmembers. He said he lived on a more remote 9-acre plot. "I think this (ordinance) would really contribute to problems, by creating a law that's essentially unenforceable," he said.

"Deer eat from under our bird feeder. Will that be a violation? I don't think we want to burden ourselves with something like that."

However councilmember Dave Bertolino, Ward 5, said the city is "probably one bad accident away from a room full of angry citizens," and he said he believed initiating a no-feeding policy was a proper step to take.

Councilmember Ron James, Ward 6, said he has lived on 42 acres in Wildwood for several decades. "Deer have always been all over. They eat with my horses in the pasture. The city has a lot of deer strikes up north, and I guess more and more deer are being drawn into subdivisions with more lots."

Councilmember John McCulloch, Ward 7, said he lives on "more like 40 feet than 40 acres," and with small houses, he and his neighbors are seeing deer everywhere. "The deer are overpopulated, and are going wherever they can to get whatever they can."

Councilmember Tammy Shea, Ward 3, said because council would be asking the community to police itself, it may turn out terribly, and could have devastating outcomes.

Councilmember Katie Dodwell, Ward 4, said not feeding wildlife is a small step to be taken for a much larger problem. "We've had 300 deer accidents within the city's limits, and should look at a more holistic activity. Not feeding is the first of many things we could do. We could have organized hunting. Not feeding is not an end-all and be-all."

Councilmember Jack Clark, also of Ward 4, said not feeding wildlife is the law at federal parks, because the animals lose their ability to forage. "Then comes starvation. Let's don't do this anymore in Wildwood."

Councilmember Randy Ladd, Ward 2, said for anyone who hasn't seen deer being fed in Wildwood, they could come to his Wildwood neighborhood and witness people feeding anywhere from 10 to 20 deer at a time in his subdivision.

Taking a chapter from an existing Ballwin ordinance that prohibits feeding wildlife, Wildwood's currently proposed ordinance reads as follows:

The feeding of Canada geese, ducks, other migratory waterfowl and/or species of deer within the (Wildwood) City limits, which feeding results in the deposit of refuse, debris, fecal matter or other offensive substance or in the attraction of wildlife, creating the prejudice or annoyance of any person or to any property, unless otherwise permitted by law, is prohibited.

No person shall deposit, place, distribute or leave any food, of any kind or nature, with the intent to feed Canada geese, ducks, other migratory waterfowl and/or any species of deer on public or private lands, with the City.

This section shall not apply to any resident or agent of the City authorized to implement a wildlife management program and who possesses the necessary permits from the Missouri Department of Conservation, nor shall it apply to any public officer or public employee in the performance of his or her duties. The provision of this section shall not apply to the feeding of domestic animals.

Any person who shall violate or fail to comply with the provisions of this section may, upon conviction, be punished by a fine not to exceed $1,000 or confinement not to exceed 90 days, or both. Each act in which a person violates this section shall be considered a separate incident and may be punished as a separate occurrence.

The ordinance is recommended to go in effect as of Jan. 31, 2013.

Councilmembers asked Thomas at the Oct. 8 meeting to research how many violations and fines had happened in nearby municipalities that already have a non-feeding law in place, such as Clarkson Valley and Ballwin.

Related Topics: Deer Feeding, Deer Feeding Ordinance Wildwood, No Feeding Ordinance Wildwood, No Feeding Wildlife Law Wildwood, and Wildwood city council

Marc Perez

6:55 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

The City of Wildwood likes to regulate! That's what they do. If hunting rights were expanded instead of restricted, the deer problem would take care if itself. I live east of 109, I cannot discharge a firearm to harvest deer. There are 30ac. of common grounds woods behind my house with excellent bak stops to prevent a shooting mishap, where harvesting of many deer could safely happen. But "NO", the deer breed like rabbits. Residence have the ability and desire to harvest many deer safely east of 109, but Wildwood says "NO". Regulate beyond reason, that's why there is a deer problem. But the City of Wildwood is regulation crazy, especially on firearms and hunting! People can be resonsible for their actions, Wildwood doesn't think so. Regulate, regulate regulate, that's what the City Council does..... There is such a thing as personal responsibility, Wildwood doesn't think so, harvest what you sow. Let'em breed and Wildwood will soon pay the price other Cities have, paid hunters to dispatch the deer the residence can harvest for free.

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eddie Buck

6:57 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Pretty soon.... you'll have to ask permission to breathe in Wildwood.

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Kathleen Downes

9:30 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Eddie - have to agree with you and Marc. The answer is not always more regulation. There's plenty of food in "them there hills" for all the wildlife but just like the humans, they go for the easy pickin's. Even if you create a law to specifically ban salt or corn, what about the flowers they like, the hostas, the pretty plants that everyone has in their yards? I feel that people would be a little more upset if their gardens were getting torn apart - perhaps those that put a little corn or salt or feed out are actually doing others a favor by keeping them off their landscaping.

JOYCE COULTER

9:47 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Leave the deer alone. Leave the people alone. If you want to hunt, do it legally, NOT in our backyards! Guns are NOT safe and I don't want to hear guns going off in my backyard, WHICH I already DO by the way. I believe there are plenty of people already illegally hunting our deer! If you don't like the "wild" in "Wildwood", move yourself to New York city and take your guns with you. You'll be more welcomed there!!

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Marc Perez

3:49 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Actually N.Y. and Chicago, like DC have the most strict firearms regulations in the country, thats why they have the highest murder rates per capita! Think about it....

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JOYCE COULTER

10:07 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Wow, Marc.... that totally went over your head.. I was making reference to the fact that there are no deer running around NY.... I wasn't referring to gun laws, ha! If you are sick of all the deer running around WILDwood... go to where there are no wild deer... get it??? too funny....

Tammi Kerley

10:07 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Taking the Wild out of Wildwood...I disagree..Deer are not a problem or the people feeding them. We have a bigger problem in Ward 2, Randy Ladds neighborhood. Bullies against Bullies. Just giving our neighborhood something else to fued over! The deer are peaceful and the children enjoy seeing them. Beautiful animals! Lets go for the bigger problems!

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FedUpVet

10:45 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Marc Perez hit it right on the head. Let the hunters hunt. We get strapped by Wildwood regulations that make hunting more and more inefficiency. Then everyone complains that there are too many deer. Well, what do you expect?

Next you get idiots like Tom Mitchell who tried to ban hunting with muzzleloaders and shotguns because his neighbors wouldn't let him hunt on their property anymore. So his solution was to take that right away from all Wildwood residents.

What really hurts is the fact that the agendas for the meetings are not sent out to Wildwood subscribers and residents until after the meeting! If the notice of these meetings and proposed restrictions were sent out before the meetings in a proper way, the meetings would be packed with residents who could get their voices heard. Maybe the Council doesn't really want that to happen.

So how about a little notice as to the next meeting to discuss hunting in Wildwood before our rights are taken away permanently?

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Donna Aubuchon

7:15 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

I specifically moved to "Wild"wood for the wildlife and woodsy feeling. I bought my house and pay higher than average taxes out here for the scenery.If you don't like this enviroment I suggest you move to the city. However the bigger problem is Randy Ladd's neighborhood where a small group seems to think they can police what their neighbors do. For the life of me I can't understand why they can't mind their own business and stick to much larger issues unless they would like to pay my taxes and house payment. And actually taking pictures of the neighbors feeding deer so they can report this. Very sad indeed.Shame on you.
I have heard gunshots behind my house and have had to call the police for the poachers. So no Mark I don't think shooting the deer yards from my back door is a wise idea.
Just let us enjoy the wildlife! It is so peaceful and they bother no one. If your yard is more important move into the city but I gotta tell ya....They are going to let you tell them what to do either. It's called freedom.

FedUpVet

10:50 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Just another note about the picture with this article. That doe is eating someone's plants! That's not a feeder or mineral lick. Will what we plant eventually be outlawed as deer feeding also?

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Sue Hubbard

10:54 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

The major reason I agree that Wildwood citizens should be allowed to feed the deer is because it's our right to choose or not choose to feed the wild life. Though the population of deer is extremely high causing a major problem, it is not the governments position to dictate to it's citizens what creatures they can or cannot feed. Too much governmental intrusion of individual rights already exists! Those individuals feeding these beautiful creatures is de-training the deer from searching for it's own food sources as nature intended.

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JOYCE COULTER

12:29 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

I am more in favor of educating the public on the pitfalls of feeding the wildlife, rather than coming up with some Nazi ordinance, forbidding it. There are far too many ordinances in Wildwood as it is. Part of the beauty of Wildwood is the wildlife. People need to pay more attention when they're driving. I have seen many deer and have never had an accident, nor do I know of anyone else who has had a deer collision. Maybe if Wildwood enforced a cellphone ordinance there would be less distracted drivers... Just a thought!

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Marc Perez

3:51 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

If we banned motor vehicles there would be no vehicle deaths!

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Dennis Broadbooks

4:29 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

@Joyce Coulter: I've been in the insurance business (personal lines property & casualty) for over 35 years now & to say you don't know anyone who has had a deer collision only means you haven't asked that question to enough friends & acquaintances. I had my own (1st & only) encounter with a deer in my vehicle in May of last year. It happened just east of the intersection of Manchester Rd & Old State Rd (a heavily populated section of the City of Ellisville) @ 7:00AM in bright sunshine. My vision of the young deer crossing Manchester from North to South was obstructed by a car in the left lane traveling eastbound on Manchester just ahead of me...the next thing you know the deer popped out right in front of my vehicle with no time to swerve. He/she ended up as ornament on the grass embankment in front of 5/3 Bank for nearly a week. My point is that deer collisions DO happen & with increasing frequency in St Louis County. Just because you haven't had one...

Donna Aubuchon

8:31 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Mr.Perez,
If we banned trapping would there be more needless suffering to helpless animalsfrom people that really don't need to do this kind of thing for food to survive. The same goes for the so called "sport" of hunting.

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JOYCE COULTER

10:11 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Agreed on all your points, Donna.... I too love Wildwood because of all the beautiful scenery and wildlife... @Marc .... how about we ban the internet too, so we don't have you posting anything else.... agreed? Good. Now pack your stuff/guns and go move to south St. Louis... probably no deer there either.

Ann Lena

10:22 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

So it's your way, or the highway, Joyce? That comment makes you lose any credibility you MAY have had.

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JOYCE COULTER

7:34 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Wow Ann... you must be having a bad day. I was merely stating my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even you, Ann.

FedUpVet

10:34 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Lots of people moved here to Wildwood with the ability to enjoy the wildlife as one of the reasons. They can enjoy it by watching the animals, feeding them, photography or by legally hunting. It's their choice on their land or land that they have permission to be on. If you don't like it and they are trespassing, then report them. They are not pouching if the legal hunting season is in place and they are carrying the proper license or permit. If they are obeying the law and exercising their rights as a property owner, then that's their right to do so on their property.

We have an unprecedented amount of government intrusion in our lives already. Wildwood telling us to do more of the same is not the answer. Maybe we should vote those out that continue this unacceptable trend.

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Don Wenkel

7:22 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Prohibiting the feeding of deer in Wildwood is an idea whose time has come. Some neighboring municipalities have already enacted ordinances against the feeding of deer. It doesn't have anything to do with not liking the deer. it has to do with public safety. When deer are fed by homeowners, they tend to congregate in one place in significant numbers. This has been a problem in Strecker Farms subdivision.

When you are driving, even at very safe speeds, it can be very dangerous. Hitting a deer can total a car and cause significant injury to the car's passengers. And it's not always a case where the driver is hitting the deer. I have had two instances while I was driving, and a deer ran into the side of my car.

I moved to Strecker Farms in 1995. Back then, deer used to go out of their way to avoid cars and people alike. If you opened your front door, they would scatter. Today, I can be walking my dog, and the deer can be 10 feet away, and they just look at you.

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Jo Beck

9:44 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Judging from all of the responses, it looks like the Patch has struck a nerve with this article! I think the city should allow bow hunting on acreages and they should definitely educate residents about the problems associated with feeding deer and other wildlife. I think it would make a difference. I remember about 10 years ago, many people in my neighborhood didn't recycle and they ignored the bins that the city provided. But the city kept sending out articles and letters about it. Now everyone on my street uses the bins for recycling. I think an education campaign would work equally well with the animal control problem. Although it makes people feel good to feed those cute furry animals, it is unnatural for the wildlife and also leads to overpopulation, as we are seeing with the deer herds here in Wildwood. Our family has has two accidents with deer.

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FedUpVet

11:04 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

It's easy to see what's coming if the feeding of wildlife is banned. Neighbor's spying on and reporting other neighbors for violating the ordinance. Of course it won't end there. Then the retaliations will begin. To get even, the reported neighbor will report the first neighbor for other code violations. High weeds, uncut grass, peeling paint, and so on and so on and so on. Before you know it, it's the Hatfield's and McCoys all over again.

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Tammi Kerley

6:44 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

We already have the Hatfield"s and McCoys going on in Strecker Farms....this will just make it worse! They just cant leave well enough alone. We have enough legal issues in the neighborhood......power trip! Im sure after this they will find a few more issues on the people commenting!

Marc Perez

6:57 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Only 9 votes on this topic, not many pay attention to what goes on in Wildwood till it knocks on their front door. I've addressed the City Council many times on this and other issues. They really don't give a rats you know what about squat till election time, then they still don't concentrate on the issues we pound into the ground here. There are perhaps 3 members on the Council who have their act together and don't just go along with the status quo. Just 3..... The others are laike lawn figures, just sit there and don't do much.... or like bobble heads............ nod, nod nod.....

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FedUpVet

7:31 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Marc, you're correct. I've been to those meetings and you can count those who listen on one hand. They need to get fired.

Todd Nault

7:16 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I'm going to continue to feed the deer on "my" property. I don't hunt but my wife likes to watch them. When they try to fine me then I will sue them. This is my property and I'm not going to have somebody tell me what I can or cannot do on my property. Is Obama living in Wildwood now??

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FedUpVet

10:06 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Well, if they fine enough of the residents then we need to get them together and file a class action lawsuit. Maybe our Wildwood politicians will finally listen to us after they spend a couple of million dollars defending and paying for such a suit and the resulting award to those that have been wronged by more needless government regulations.

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Marc Perez

6:23 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Obama may be an advisor to the City Council. Prohibit 2A rights, hug the trees, Ban this, restrict that, rule!

Dennis Broadbooks

7:32 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

@Joyce Coulter: Here's a link to a recent article discussing the rise in number of deer caused auto accidents.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/deer-vs-car-crashes-rise-wildlife-hits-road-205600315.html

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JOYCE COULTER

3:15 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Dennis.. I do agree and realize there are many, many deer accidents... I'm not saying they don't happen. I was driving on Clayton Rd. towards Strecker and someone had hit a large female deer, and apparently kept on driving. I pulled over to the middle turn lane, put my flashers on and got out to see if the deer was alive. She was alive, but had two broken back legs, crushed ribs and apparently, according to my son's stepmother who is a veterinarian (called her and she arrived on scene) a pneumothorax that was in effect suffocating the deer slowly. I had to stand out in the dark and direct traffic around her as she kept edging closer and closer to the oncoming lane of traffic. After calling 911 the police finally arrived and he agreed he would have to put her down. I left with my little one and his stepmom stayed. The officer shot the deer two times and it still didn't die. He decided to leave, but came back because he couldn't stand to see her suffering. He ended up shooting her behind the head near the brainstem to put an end to her suffering (which he should have done in the first place.) The most upsetting part of this all, is that deer may have been sitting in the middle of that roadway for many, many hours, trying to get up on those broken hind legs, struggling and suffering. How could someone just leave it there and how could all the others just keep driving past? Made me sick to my stomach that people are so heartless!

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JOYCE COULTER

3:18 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Another good point Dennis is that they are in mating season and so they're really everywhere you look... I drive even slower on Clayton Rd. near Anna Maries and Strecker Rd. because they are literally running back and forth everywhere.. It amazes me how fast people drive and pay no attention to the deer crossing signs... those signs are there to warn us and with good reason.. slow down, people!!

Marc Perez

7:36 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Want to eliminate the over population of deer? Eliminate the firearms restrictions on hunting east of 109. There are many places with very good back stops for discharge of a firearms. Massive numbers of deer can be legally taken east of 109 if the discharge of firearms were allowed. In three years I've killed 3 deer with archery east of 109. Many more could have easily been taken with handguns of more limited "power" than rifles. Want to increase the deer harvest in Wildwood, allow more hunting. Allow people to be responsible for their actions, you cannot legislate or regulate responsibility. Firearms season then black power season (which now allows for use of handguns) starts next month. The City can fix the problem or wait for it to become a larger problem.

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Julie Brown Patton

5:01 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Joyce, good reminder about mating season; thanks. I've been seeing all sorts of groupings, too.

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